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many times books of fiction are written for the readers, and many times these readers don't know the difference between something the author made up or if the things about guns are truly fact. few authors spend such time on this research and just pull random things from many sources. many times people who are into guns can spot these details we know to be false.

books are entertainment. if the story keeps the reader engrossed and turning pages and turns a profit, then their mission is accomplished. in all honesty, the details you are trying to achieve are only going to find a select group of people who are going to notice those details.

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I like a series of books I can't recall the name but one of the main characters is a chick called Nina Wilde her husband in the series Is former sas and uses a Webley in .455 I love that series cause the guy uses accurate descriptions of weapons lol


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many times books of fiction are written for the readers, and many times these readers don't know the difference between something the author made up or if the things about guns are truly fact. few authors spend such time on this research and just pull random things from many sources. many times people who are into guns can spot these details we know to be false.

books are entertainment. if the story keeps the reader engrossed and turning pages and turns a profit, then their mission is accomplished. in all honesty, the details you are trying to achieve are only going to find a select group of people who are going to notice those details.
But certainly is appreciated when an author goes the extra mile to get the details right!
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But certainly is appreciated when an author goes the extra mile to get the details right!
pretty much true. as a gun enthuiast, i do like when they try and get the details or facts correct when referencing firearms, also know that a lot of readers don't fully understand or appreciate that particular attention to details. many probably know nothing or very little about guns, so the this attention to detail is pretty much lost on them.
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pretty much true. as a gun enthuiast, i do like when they try and get the details or facts correct when referencing firearms, also know that a lot of readers don't fully understand or appreciate that particular attention to details. many probably know nothing or very little about guns, so the this attention to detail is pretty much lost on them.
I like it much better than, "he quickly thumbed the hammer of his Glock back, waiting for the perfect shot..." WHAT??!?! I don't expect the details to be perfect, but something that is evident from a 15-second Google pic search should be not be spoiling my suspension of disbelief.
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I like it much better than, "he quickly thumbed the hammer of his Glock back, waiting for the perfect shot..." WHAT??!?! I don't expect the details to be perfect, but something that is evident from a 15-second Google pic search should be not be spoiling my suspension of disbelief.
almost as bad as when you hear the hammer cock on a Glock in a movie or on TV!
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Go on eBay and look for the "guns and ammo annual" for the years your interested in. The book is set in 1985 but the decline started in 1979. So you need to factor in the impact on manufacturing post event.

The G&A annuals catalogued every firearm, and most ammunition commercially available at retail in the year they were published. Better place to start than many.


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Firearms from 35 years ago, now that is a stretch. Different times, different values than today. The golden era of firearms is today, back then they where just basic tools unless a person had a special one built at great cost to them.

Since I am 70 years old, remembering half a lifetime ago fired off a lot of old memory cells in the brain. Let's see, I still had my Armalite AR-15 I purchased in 1969, my Browning Hi-Power in 9 mm, a S&W 3.5 inch Model 27 357 mag, a Winchester model 70 in 7 mm Remington Mag., a Walther PP in 9 mm Kurz (380 ACP), an Armilite AR-7 in 22 LR, a HIGH STANDARD SUPERMATIC TROPHY in 22 LR.

The main weapon of the arm forces was still the M-16, most highway patrols carried the S&W Model 27 357 mag or a Browning Hi-Power some did carry a 1911, the secret service was using the Uzi machine pistol, most civilians favorite was a WWII 1911 or WWII Walther P-38 some collectors favorite was the German Luger. Almost all had a shotgun in 12 gauge, 20 gauge or 410, it probable was the most useful of all the weapons for that period, and of course most homes had a bolt action hunting rifle in 30-06 or a Lever action rifle in 30-30.

Sorry that is all I can remember of that era out side of my 1984 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 and a few ex-wives (3) that I have been trying to forget all these years. (LOL)

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I like it much better than, "he quickly thumbed the hammer of his Glock back, waiting for the perfect shot..." WHAT??!?! I don't expect the details to be perfect, but something that is evident from a 15-second Google pic search should be not be spoiling my suspension of disbelief.
This is my thinking. As I mentioned before the book is going to be "gun lite", but I need to know those extra details to make the flavor text about guns at least appear accurate. There is a joke in the writing world that 50 of the research we do is useful and the other 50 is not -- the problem is we don't know which is which. So it's better to do more research on a topic than what will end up in the final product.

Readers generally fall into the LCD (least commond denominator) group, meaning they are average people with little to no expertise on the topics of the subjects of fiction. Clancy, I feel, is a great example of an author who did a ton of research to give his books the verisimilitude that blurred fact and fiction. It would be upsetting to me if someone in that LCD group was able to find an error in the technical details.
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This is my thinking. As I mentioned before the book is going to be "gun lite", but I need to know those extra details to make the flavor text about guns at least appear accurate. There is a joke in the writing world that 50 of the research we do is useful and the other 50 is not -- the problem is we don't know which is which. So it's better to do more research on a topic than what will end up in the final product.

Readers generally fall into the LCD (least commond denominator) group, meaning they are average people with little to no expertise on the topics of the subjects of fiction. Clancy, I feel, is a great example of an author who did a ton of research to give his books the verisimilitude that blurred fact and fiction. It would be upsetting to me if someone in that LCD group was able to find an error in the technical details.
That's a very accurate description of Clancy, although I heard he got a little heat when one of his first books released a detail or two of a project that had not yet been declassified. He obviously has either military experience or close ties with those still in the military.

Thanks for doing twice as much research as necessary to get the details correct! While most readers fall into the LCD category, it's nice if it still rings true to the specialist community as well. I tend to buy more than one book from authors that go that extra mile, as well as recommend them to others. When a book is just "okay" it generally doesn't inspire either response.
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