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Old 10-31-2010, 02:59 PM   #11
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In any situation the person who gets the jump will most likely succeed. Sure if someone with a knife acts first and catches you off guard, they do a lot of damage or even kill you.
Same thing with a gun, the one who draws first usually shoots first. It's all about timing and surprise. One has to be ready for anything. Like I said earlier, if you expect trouble ahead or if the situation just doesn't look right, get ready and be prepared. If this means unholstering your gun then by all means do so ! You basically have to have four eyes and watch your back constantly. With most city folks this comes naturally through the years. Those in the country may be a bit more relaxed. This is just myth though because I know a good bit of country folks who are as street smart as any Brooklynite !
It comes down to always being aware of your surroundings.
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I remember the 21' rule from my last 2 concealed carry classes,
I find it stupid to ignore evidence that trained gun fighters compile
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I remember the 21' rule from my last 2 concealed carry classes,
I find it stupid to ignore evidence that trained gun fighters compile
Succinct, and to the point.
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Just a reminder--the 21' distance is the minimum for someone who can draw and shoot quickly. Many of us might consider 25'-30'
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Just a reminder--the 21' distance is the minimum for someone who can draw and shoot quickly. Many of us might consider 25'-30'
When I was in college a good friend of mine was sliced open, we never knew who did it, guts out and all, surely by a box knife, lots of kids carried box knives for architecture class, or else. A group of kids just run by and it was done. A knife can be concealed in your hand, a gun cannot.

There is always the X factor, it doesn't matte how much you quantify data, in this case we didn't see any" reasonably" threat, plus we didn't have any guns.

A knife carrier will do things distinctly different, first of all a knife is a stealth weapon, the guy never knew what hit him, for the most part the threat is never there.

So what is the solution IMO? Keep your eyes open, you may think you know anything, if you have a sinking feeling, that might be it, train, be quick, be smart. when facing a knife attack you'll still have the chance to fire back, as long as you know what is happening.

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thats why when i ccw i keep my gun in a holster small of the back. looks like im going for a wallet... conversation is often your best delay tactic to make that 21 inches into 21 virtual feet. muggers and robbers seldom are truly prepaired to kill or they would have just stuck you. what they want is easy money with little effort. if you present them with what they expect till the last instant it will give you a chance.

had a guy try to mug me in the honolulu mall, when i was in the army, in the men's bathroom. i carried a 6 inch cold steel tanto at my back under my shirt. i pulled that instead of the wallet and informed the slime that they gonna have to call 2 ambulances if he chose to press. he left. anyway conversation by my fake compliance allowed me a chance to arm myself evening the odds. if he really wanted to hurt me he woulda just stabbed me and took what he wanted without talking. under that circumstance awareness is all you can do. even today decades later i dont use a mens room without an empty locking stall. just part of the routine now.
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I've taught the Tueller Drill in my classes for years. Just as important, I prefer to teach folks how to avoid having to excersize the Tueller Drill at all. In my simple mind, avoiding a confrontation in the first place, is much preferred over having to shoot your way out of said confrontation.
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At the arm's length distances where real knife attacks happen, having a gun does not put you in a position of superiority. In fact, going directly for your gun can be an invitation for him to stab the hell out of you. Initially, at least, close range knife attacks are a hand to hand problem. Really, the saying should be, "don't bring a gun to a knife fight."
Outstanding advice! Even with your gun out on a BG if he's too close to you things can go south in a hurry for you. If he has a knife even if you shoot him it might just be the last thing you do. DISTANCE is your friend.
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Obviously spoken by two people who have never been in a life threatening confrontation with a determined person armed with a bladed weapon.

Say goodnight Dick....
you entirely misunderstood my post i was agreeing with the tueller drill. I was saying that it was bullcrap that only now people believe it and that before people said i needed to stop playing video games and that edged weapons have no more use.
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