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Deagle07 07-17-2007 03:13 PM

Dog Attack Scenario
 
In a scenario where one's family and family pet is being attacked by a large viscious dog or group of dogs, what would be the best weapon to use in order to maintain one's personal safety?

Would a stun gun on a stick work effectively against several dogs? Would using a firearm be safe when at close range near one's family?

FALPhil 07-17-2007 09:09 PM

I like shotguns with bird shot. I have broken up a pack attacking another dog with a hickory pick handle. One of the attacking dogs had to be put down. These were not feral dogs, but pets running loose and there was a female-in-heat involved.

Bidah 07-17-2007 10:54 PM

Part of the answer from what I have experienced depends on the breed, as well as the mindset of the dog. I have seen pack attacks, as well as single dog attacks where you would have to kill the dog to get it to stop. I believe that a stun gun would work well, but you may not want to be that close. I have used pepper spray to good effect, as well a very strong grade of ammonia (reagent??) in a spray bottle.

No matter what, it ain't fun.

Bear_Down 08-16-2007 05:18 AM

An ax handle, Don't aim for the head some dogs have quick head motion instead take out there front legs. If they can't stand they can't fight.
If the dog bites the handle Kick the bugger in the throat.
The three rules with dogs or any animal humans included are .

1) If you can't see you can't fight .
2) If you can't breath you can't fight .
3) If you can't stand You can't fight .

Gun Looney 08-27-2007 05:14 AM

Your scenario doesn't detail where the attack might take place, but if you've got the option, it'd be hard to beat a short shotgun and #4 buck shot. To ME a short shotgun has an 18-20" barrel, and a fixed stock.

robocop10mm 08-27-2007 02:12 PM

Dog attack
 
In my experience Federal Tactical 00 buck works very well for large aggressive Pit Bulls. At 10 feet the entrance hole is about an inch, no exit.

At 10 feet the pucker factor is pretty high.

cnorman18 08-27-2007 04:15 PM

If your family member is actually under attack, obviously a shotgun is a bad idea. Plus, unless the shotgun is in your hand when the attack begins, by the time you go get it much damage will already have been done. Dog attacks happen very quickly.

Pepper spray seems a good choice to me. You can spray your kids along with the dogs, and though it'll make them uncomfortable for a while, it'll do less damage than teeth. A shotgun--not so much.

The new Kimber OC product is effective at 13 feet and projects a gel that sticks, not a spray that will blow in the wrong direction (like back in your face). Good thing to keep in your pocket.

Gun Looney 08-27-2007 07:03 PM

OC isn't a bad idea either, but since this pretend scenario is so open-ended, I assumed that I already had shotgun in hand, and could thump the dogs prior to getting bit.

Fogging the area with spray could easily get you contaminated also and then NOBODY can defend themselves. OC has proven to be almost 100% effective against good people and cops, but marginally less so against bad guys and fighting dogs. The latter two groups respond VERY well to buckshot however. Naturally your point about fields of fire is well taken and not to be discredited.

1984cj 08-27-2007 09:19 PM

I would hope that I am never in the situation but I would want a sturdy cane or walking stick and possibly my CCW weapon.
The tatic I would hope be able to use would be seperate the attackers from the victim and neutralize the threat. In reality I would probably wade into the fray without drawing my pistol and use the stick with vigor.
I am afraid that if your pet or family was being attacked by dogs it would be very difficult to be sure of hitting your target and NOT hitting your loved one or pet.

Tony Soprano 08-27-2007 11:27 PM

I had this happen to me in a remote part of Indiana working in the utility field in 1992 by myself,I was locating a cross country fiber optic cable when a pack of vicious dogs started to circle me and snapping at me,I have no weapon on me(against company policy) and just 1 year removed from Desert Storm,I dropped my equiptment and raised my arms and swung them wildly and stomped my feet and growled and screamed like a crazy beast and they finally went away-I carried CS-gas( I got from the Army) and pepper spray from the next day forward-I'm lucky to be alive!

LunchBox 08-30-2007 03:11 PM

I dont know, I keep thinking about the legal ramifications of this scenario. Probably the law dog in me.

Anyway.. I would have to say pepper spray would be the best. I mean, if you were to shoot someone's dog, or lets say someone else's kid... Think about the legal matters that would be involved. People are jerks these days, dosnt matter if you were to save their life... They're still out for the easy buck... Which equals frivolous law suits.

billt 09-24-2007 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Soprano (Post 7424)
I dropped my equiptment and raised my arms and swung them wildly and stomped my feet and growled and screamed like a crazy beast.

Thats what I do when I want a new gun and my wife questions the purchase. Works everytime! :D Bill T.

cpttango30 10-23-2007 02:27 PM

pepper spray is not as affective on dogs as it is on humans. remember that dogs have a third eyelid that is tucked down under their outter lids. this lid is controled by a reflex action.

It is hard to say what I would use what is the setting, what kind of dog is it, is it a family pet or your kid.

If it were animal and animal shotgun or pistol.

if kids are involved I might try pepper spray then I would beat the animal untill it did not move anymore. I can replace a dog I can not replace a child. I think a nice hickory ax handle would be good. breaking the front legs then bashing it in the head a few times should work.

I was at the cematary when my father in law passed away and these two large dogs started taking an aggressive posture towards my children i kept myself between the dogs and my kids as I worked them over to the car made them get inside and retrived my 45 from the trunk. I made aggressive movements and yelled untill the retreated. Then keeping on high alert I moved my kids from the car to the lobby of the cematarys main building. I informed the owner that two dogs just tried to attack my children and he called the police it was not the first time this had happend but it was the last. The police came captured the dogs and they were destroyed. They belonged to a family that lived next to the cematary that would let them run loose all the time.

jeepcreep927 10-24-2007 08:44 AM

If there were things around it I didn't want dead, I would opt for a solid item to hit it with, and the mindset that you'll probably get bit anyway, but keep swinging. The only two aggressive dogs I have seen shot were both pit bulls. One took a .40 S&W through the mouth, and ran about 3 miles home. It lived and I think the shock is the only thing that stopped it. The second was shot at contact distance with a 5.56 Hornady TAP round, downward through the mouth and into the chest. It ran about a mile before expiring. If I had to shoot one again, I would opt for 00 buckshot.

Defender 02-18-2008 07:50 AM

If there are two or more vicious dogs involved in an attack on someone, I want a 12 guage in my hands.

As somebody else pointed out, pepper spray isn't nearly as effective against dogs. I've talked to mail carriers who tell me that sometimes it's completely worthless.

With an axe handle or bat, you have to get up too close and raise it to swing it. The slowest pit bull I've ever seen is still quicker than the fastest human I've ever seen. You and the person you're trying to defend will probably both end up in the hospital or morgue.

Don't try to wound them. Aim center mass at their side with OO buckshot, and send 'em to doggie heaven. :)

Get close enough so the shot doesn't have a chance to spread much, but not so close that you ruin the ear drums of the person you're trying to protect.

Duck 02-18-2008 03:19 PM

It's crazy how every potential "dangerous dog" story so far has been about pits. Most of you probably wouldn't know a pit from a poodle. I've been around what most of you would call pits (everything from American Bulldogs, real Pits, Dogos, Bull Terriers, and other short-haired muscular dogs) for most of my life and have never been around one that I had to worry about. It's just not in their nature to be human aggressive. It's not in their nature to be aggressive at all, it's what people train them to do.

I've got a Pit/ Boxer mix and a Bull Terrier now, both of which are about as gentle as can be. Our cats are meaner than our dogs. The cats beat the hell out of the Bull Terrier and he just flops over on his side and let's them have at it.

Boris 02-18-2008 04:01 PM

All depends on the circumstances, I mean you could go anywhere with this but OC works well, CS will be ineffective. Stand your ground, do not run.... unless you can top 30 mph....

Defender 02-19-2008 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck (Post 16740)
It's crazy how every potential "dangerous dog" story so far has been about pits. Most of you probably wouldn't know a pit from a poodle. I've been around what most of you would call pits (everything from American Bulldogs, real Pits, Dogos, Bull Terriers, and other short-haired muscular dogs) for most of my life and have never been around one that I had to worry about. It's just not in their nature to be human aggressive. It's not in their nature to be aggressive at all, it's what people train them to do.

I've got a Pit/ Boxer mix and a Bull Terrier now, both of which are about as gentle as can be. Our cats are meaner than our dogs. The cats beat the hell out of the Bull Terrier and he just flops over on his side and let's them have at it.

I know a Pit from a poodle. Pits are involved in more vicious attacks on humans every year than any other breed.

Not aggressive with humans?! Like the kid in a city near me who was killed by his dad's Pits in his own back yard?! The mailman jumped the fence to try and help him, but was too late.

Pit owners are in serious denial.

Defender 02-19-2008 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris (Post 16746)
All depends on the circumstances, I mean you could go anywhere with this but OC works well, CS will be ineffective. Stand your ground, do not run.... unless you can top 30 mph....

If there are MULTIPLE dogs involved in the attack, skip the OC and grab your 12 gauge. ;)

Boris 02-19-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16793)
If there are MULTIPLE dogs involved in the attack, skip the OC and grab your 12 gauge. ;)

In the real world not everyone wanders about with a 12 gauge under their raincoat fearing constant attack from packs of wild hounds (Africa maybe).

I understand the concerns in some quarters about the genuine fear of criminal attack, and the perceived need to arm oneself with a firearm, and thats fine. But would need to compremise, lugging a big multi-shot semi-automatic about with spare magazines is definately a pain day in day out, not too mention the stress to my tailor. :)

Duck 02-19-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16792)
I know a Pit from a poodle. Pits are involved in more vicious attacks on humans every year than any other breed.

Not aggressive with humans?! Like the kid in a city near me who was killed by his dad's Pits in his own back yard?! The mailman jumped the fence to try and help him, but was too late.

Pit owners are in serious denial.

You're on crack. Pits aren't even on the top 10 list of most attacks.

Defender 02-20-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck (Post 16841)
You're on crack. Pits aren't even on the top 10 list of most attacks.

As is virtually always the case, all the excuse-makers for Pits have is personal attacks and lies. They present no data, just personal attacks and lies.

According to the Humane Society and the Centers for Disease Control, between 1979 and 1996, Pit Bulls killed 60 people in the U.S.

That places them NUMBER ONE on the KILLER list, by better than a two to one margin.

Pit apologists remain in denial, but the HSUS and CDC document the hard facts on "America's Most Dangerous Dog":

ftp://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/Publications/mmwr/wk/mm4621.pdf

jeepcreep927 02-21-2008 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck (Post 16740)
It's crazy how every potential "dangerous dog" story so far has been about pits. Most of you probably wouldn't know a pit from a poodle. I've been around what most of you would call pits (everything from American Bulldogs, real Pits, Dogos, Bull Terriers, and other short-haired muscular dogs) for most of my life and have never been around one that I had to worry about. It's just not in their nature to be human aggressive. It's not in their nature to be aggressive at all, it's what people train them to do.

I've got a Pit/ Boxer mix and a Bull Terrier now, both of which are about as gentle as can be. Our cats are meaner than our dogs. The cats beat the hell out of the Bull Terrier and he just flops over on his side and let's them have at it.


I appreciate your willingness to be an insulting ass with such haste. I do know a pit from poodle, and regardless of your touchy feely experiences with pitbulls, BOTH that I have seen shot were not "aggressive", they were without a doubt, going to bite me or my coworkers. They were trained to be nasty bastards on purpose. And not to legitamately protect a responsible owner. That doesn't matter to me though. I don't care if it's a pit bull or a friggin lab that's gone mental, those are just the circumstances. Thanks for your time.

Defender 02-21-2008 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jeepcreep927 (Post 16958)
I appreciate your willingness to be an insulting ass with such haste. I do know a pit from poodle, and regardless of your touchy feely experiences with pitbulls, BOTH that I have seen shot were not "aggressive", they were without a doubt, going to bite me or my coworkers. They were trained to be nasty bastards on purpose. And not to legitamately protect a responsible owner. That doesn't matter to me though. I don't care if it's a pit bull or a friggin lab that's gone mental, those are just the circumstances. Thanks for your time.

:D

To the considerable number of people who've been attacked, injured, maimed and even killed by Pits, it's irrelevant whether they're vicious by nature or by training.

The hard fact remains that they are a particularly dangerous breed due to their physical characteristics and mentality. They're also one of only a few breeds which will attack and maul a member of the family that owns them, with virtually no provocation.

Duck 02-21-2008 01:41 AM

I just fail to see how someone can take the "Guns don't kill people, people do." mindset and then turn around and blame a dog that is trained (by a person) to be aggressive for being aggressive.

Defender: You never said most kills, you said attacks. It makes sense that if a pit does attack, it will probably be worse than a chihuahua attack. However if you look at the number of attacks, pits are not very high on the list.

60 people in 17 years, are you kidding me? That averages 3.5 people per year. Bees kill more people than that.

Jeepcreep: My statement stands. I see it all the time. When I take my dogs on a walk, people are adamant that they are both pits. The one is part pit, but looks nothing like one. Maybe it was a pit that acted aggressively towards you. That point is really irrelevant if the owners trained the dogs to be aggressive. The dogs were not the problem, the people were. Would it have made you feel any better if it was a Dogo or a St. Bernard? As for me being an insulting ass, I'm good at it and I enjoy it. :cool:

Defender 02-21-2008 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck (Post 16971)
I just fail to see how someone can take the "Guns don't kill people, people do." mindset and then turn around and blame a dog that is trained (by a person) to be aggressive for being aggressive.

That's because you fail to see that a gun is an inanimate man-made object, whereas a Pit Bull is a biological life form with a brain and emotions, that can attack and seriously injure people by its own choice and under its own power.

Funny, but I've never seen a gun jump up and attack anybody of its own accord. Whereas Pits have done it thousands of times.

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Defender: You never said most kills, you said attacks. It makes sense that if a pit does attack, it will probably be worse than a chihuahua attack. However if you look at the number of attacks, pits are not very high on the list.
More of your utter irrelevancies. On a PER CAPITA basis, Pits are the absolute WORST as far as attacks that maim or kill. So I'm not playing your illogical game of semantics.

You also conveniently failed to mention the enormous number of vicious Pit attacks that seriously injure and maim, which are MANY times more prevalent than the number of deaths attributed to Pits.

If one looks at the total number of Pit attacks in the USA on a per capita basis, both deadly and non-deadly, you will know why Pits have the well-earned title of "America's most dangerous dog".

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60 people in 17 years, are you kidding me? That averages 3.5 people per year. Bees kill more people than that.
You conveniently neglected to mention the enormous number of serious injuries and maimings perpetrated by Pits during the same period. I personally know of a woman who had much of her calf ripped off by a Pit, and had to endure numerous reconstructive surgeries. Not to mention that her leg has never been the same since.

So spare me your irrelevant factoids. :p

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Jeepcreep: My statement stands. I see it all the time. When I take my dogs on a walk, people are adamant that they are both pits. The one is part pit, but looks nothing like one. Maybe it was a pit that acted aggressively towards you. That point is really irrelevant if the owners trained the dogs to be aggressive. The dogs were not the problem, the people were. Would it have made you feel any better if it was a Dogo or a St. Bernard? As for me being an insulting ass, I'm good at it and I enjoy it.
Yet more of your sheer illogic.

You sound like a liberal who tries to blame society and parents every time a kid goes bad and engages in violent activity.

It really doesn't matter if a kid or a Pit Bull behave violently because of being badly raised or not. The fact of the matter is that society needs to be protected from them, regardless of the reason for their violent behavior.

Pits are also notoriously bad at distinguishing friend from foe. They often attack humans who pose no threat to them, even people who are well known to them and/or their masters.

Defender 02-21-2008 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris (Post 16817)
In the real world not everyone wanders about with a 12 gauge under their raincoat fearing constant attack from packs of wild hounds (Africa maybe). I understand the concerns in some quarters about the genuine fear of criminal attack, and the perceived need to arm oneself with a firearm, and thats fine. But would need to compremise, lugging a big multi-shot semi-automatic about with spare magazines is definately a pain day in day out, not too mention the stress to my tailor.

The question posed by the original poster was what weapon would be your choice if you or somebody else were attacked by a vicious dog.

So based on the premise that one would have their preferred weapon in the event of an attack, I wisely and correctly chose the 12 gauge shotgun.

Boris 02-21-2008 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16989)
The question posed by the original poster was what weapon would be your choice if you or somebody else were attacked by a vicious dog.

So based on the premise that one would have their preferred weapon in the event of an attack, I wisely and correctly chose the 12 gauge shotgun.

Well if you are being serious the whole matter depends on the particular circumstances wouldn't you think? I mean if you are in your back yard with access to a 12 gauge then may be, but usually these incidents occure in the public domain, and my comments and attempted humour which apparantly was lost on you, still remain valid, if you haven't got the 12 gauge in the truck then it isn't going to happen.

I personally would consider using a 12 gauge shotgun when a second party is in the middle of a dogfight neither wise, or the correct course of action. If I had a pistol available and you are a good, safe shot. I would likely deal with it at way. If no pistol then Pepper spray.

Duck 02-21-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16982)
That's because you fail to see that a gun is an inanimate man-made object, whereas a Pit Bull is a biological life form with a brain and emotions, that can attack and seriously injure people by its own choice and under its own power.

I think you're giving the dog way too much credit. They do what they are trained to do. There are cases where a dog is literally insane and aggressive, but those are rare.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16982)
More of your utter irrelevancies. On a PER CAPITA basis, Pits are the absolute WORST as far as attacks that maim or kill. So I'm not playing your illogical game of semantics.

It's not irrelevant. They don't attack very often, it's just when they do it is usually worse than with other dogs. My wife worked at a pet grooming place years ago. She said she never worried when someone brought in a bull breed dog, but knew she was going to get bit when they brought in others (especially labs and toy dogs).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16982)
You also conveniently failed to mention the enormous number of vicious Pit attacks that seriously injure and maim, which are MANY times more prevalent than the number of deaths attributed to Pits.

I very openly said that an attack from a pit is going to be worse than a chihuahua. Sorry, didn't fail to mention anything. I will never say that a pit cannot be aggressive or dangerous. They can, just like any other dog. The problem isn't with the dog, it's with the owner. The same people that have aggressive pits would have aggressive cocker spaniels if it made them feel like more of a man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16982)
If one looks at the total number of Pit attacks in the USA on a per capita basis, both deadly and non-deadly, you will know why Pits have the well-earned title of "America's most dangerous dog".

See above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16982)
You conveniently neglected to mention the enormous number of serious injuries and maimings perpetrated by Pits during the same period. I personally know of a woman who had much of her calf ripped off by a Pit, and had to endure numerous reconstructive surgeries. Not to mention that her leg has never been the same since.

So spare me your irrelevant factoids. :p

Irrelevant factoids? I know of a child that pretty much had his face ripped off by a dalmatian. I don't know the family, but they are friends of my family. So, what's your point? I've been bitten before, but not by a pit.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 16982)
Yet more of your sheer illogic.

You sound like a liberal who tries to blame society and parents every time a kid goes bad and engages in violent activity.

It really doesn't matter if a kid or a Pit Bull behave violently because of being badly raised or not. The fact of the matter is that society needs to be protected from them, regardless of the reason for their violent behavior.

Pits are also notoriously bad at distinguishing friend from foe. They often attack humans who pose no threat to them, even people who are well known to them and/or their masters.

Sheer illogic? You're kidding right? And yes, I do blame the parents for the most part when a kid screws up. It's a kid. Ring their bell when they screw up and you won't have any problems.

It absolutely matters if it was badly raised. You can't expect a dog (or a kid for that matter) to act any better than it was raised.

You sound like the kind of liberal that blames guns when a nutjob shoots someone.

Defender 02-22-2008 04:00 AM

Pit Bulls and dog bite related human fatalities

"A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medicine Association in September, 2000 reports that in the 20 years studied (1979 to 1998) "Pit-bull type dogs" and Rottweilers were involved in one half of approximately 300 dog bite related fatalities in the US [3]. Another study of American and Canadian dog bite related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% fatal dog attacks. [4] This study also noted: "Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Pit_Bulls_and_dog_bite_related_human_fata lities

Defender 02-22-2008 04:01 AM

"The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) published a study concerning deaths from canine attacks in 2000. [34] According to the study, between 1979 and 1998, one-third of all fatal dog attacks were caused by Pit Bull type dogs. The highest number of attacks (118) were by Pit Bull type dogs, the next highest being Rottweilers at 67."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Legal_issues_in_the_USA

Defender 02-22-2008 04:11 AM

News reports of injuries and fatal attacks

"News media stories of pit bull attacks involving disfiguring injury to humans and other animals, the latter very often also fatally, ranging in size from attacks on smaller nonpitbull dogs [80] [81] to horses [82] [83] [84] [85] [86] [87] can be found globally. [88] [89] The pit bulls involved were not always loose and off the owner's property, but sometimes were inside the home of the owner, who, or a family member or visitor, was the victim of the aggression. Fatal pit bull attacks to children and adults have been reported by the English-language news media in the United States and United Kingdom. [90] [91] [92] [93] [94] [95] [96] [97] [98] [99] [100] [101]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Boris 02-22-2008 07:03 AM

Wow!
 
[QUOTE=Defender;17081]Pit Bulls and dog bite related human fatalities

"A study published in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medicine Association in September, 2000 reports that in the 20 years studied (1979 to 1998) "Pit-bull type dogs" and Rottweilers were involved in one half of approximately 300 dog bite related fatalities in the US [3]. Another study of American and Canadian dog bite related fatalities from September 1982 to November 2006 produced similar results, reporting that Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% fatal dog attacks. [4] This study also noted: "Of the breeds most often involved in incidents of sufficient severity to be listed, pit bull terriers are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Pit_Bulls_and_dog_bite_related_human_fata lities[/QUOTE

Wow.....where you shouting when you wrote this? I had to put my sunglasses on to read it. Personally I wouldn't give you tuppence for a Pitbull, but please excuse me if I say you are digging yourself in a hole. You have shifted your arguement to include other breeds of dog which are vaguely similar to the breed.:o

Defender 02-22-2008 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Boris (Post 17088)
Wow.....where you shouting when you wrote this? I had to put my sunglasses on to read it. Personally I wouldn't give you tuppence for a Pitbull, but please excuse me if I say you are digging yourself in a hole. You have shifted your arguement to include other breeds of dog which are vaguely similar to the breed.

I haven't shifted anything, nor am I digging myself in a hole. You need to try to read with greater comprehension.

Also, "shouting" on the internet is when one types with all capital letters. Merely using the "bold" feature is not shouting, and is not considered poor etiquette. If it intimidates you in some way, I suggest you take up something safe like knitting. :D

matt g 02-22-2008 01:30 PM

Please keep it civil guys. No need for hurt feelings.

Boris 02-22-2008 06:33 PM

Personally I couldn't give a toss!...........

Duck 02-23-2008 02:15 AM

Defender: Ever think about becoming a Dem? You'd make a good one.

matt g 02-23-2008 05:53 AM

There have been a few personal attacks in this thread. We need to keep it calm and civil. I love a good debate, but name calling needs to be saved for the playground. This might open back up in a few days after everyone cools off a little.

I understand both sides of the argument here, as I have good friends that breed Pits and Pit type breeds and I have a good friend that was maimed by a mis-trained Pit.

Remember folks, like people, dogs are only dangerous when raised and/or trained improperly.


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