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Old 09-30-2010, 08:08 PM   #1
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Ok, here’s what I don’t get as far as the whole CCW and defensive shooting goes – where are all the classes? I understand that there are plenty of CCW classes (I’ve completed one, it cost $175 for an 8hr class…but that’s not what I’m talking about) and plenty of ranges to practice shooting in a relaxed environment without any distractions at an unmoving piece of paper.

What I think there is a massive need for is some sort of training center, lets be honest here, this country really needs places to teach ppl to shoot, not to fire a gun, but to asses and shoot with deadly force – example, I use to box, I didn’t need to learn how to swing a punch, I already new that, what I needed to learn was how to place my punches with power, accuracy and speed in high stress situations with lights, noise and onlookers causing distractions. Now if I wanted to do that, or Karate or anything similar I would have no end of places to go for classes of 1-2 hr lessons a couple of times a week, resulting, eventually in a highly trained fighter/boxer.

On that note, the govt has given me a license to carry a concealed firearm, touch wood n all that, but what if I have to use it? I’m not military or LE and only have less than a years worth of experience with firearms, so now you have a civilian with little to no experience in a high pressure situation with a loaded gun…Awesome! Now I’m not belittling anyone’s (or my own) experience here or skill with a gun at a range (but range V real life deadly situation), anyone who has ever boxed or even been in a fight will tell you there is a world of difference between hitting a bag and standing up to someone who’s swinging at you and trying to hurt you, training helps you to deal with that and to survive if not win such an encounter.

So where are courses/classes, something that can be reasonably joined – not $100 –$200 daily courses but something ppl can go to once/twice a week to build up the training & expertise needed to deal and survive such an encounter?

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Old 09-30-2010, 08:21 PM   #2
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We have a ton of trainers and training sites here in GA and the classes range from basic to really advanced (as do the prices). I'm sure there are some in your area as well - just have to search them out...

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Aye, aye there are quite a few like that, my local range has a few everything from introduction (2-3hrs $85) up to advanced pistol III (7hrs $155), but this is not what I am talking about. For example, if I want to become a skilled boxer, whose body will react immediately to a threat it is not 1 8hr class I would need to take, like wise military and LE and not just given 1 class and expected to know it all, for full proficiency I think we need something that will continue to instruct on a weekly basis allowing muscle memory to set in and skill levels to increase. Unfortunately it's the one area where people are pretty much left to fend for themselves taking classes when they are available or can afford them.

I was lucky enough to have an ex-military instructor give me a brief introduction into defensive shooting and what that entails, and just judging from that alone I realized that while the range is helping me in my long shot accuracy, this will not aid me in a personal defense situation, the speed, distance and style of shooting are all completely different to everything I had practiced at the range so far. We would all like to believe we are ready for an aggressor and would be fully capable of defending ourselves and loved ones in that event but training is better then belief....does that make sense?

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The trainers here offer many types of defensive handgun courses which are much more than just shooting at paper targets. Some of them are 3 day affairs where you shoot from 1500 rounds and up...

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I don't doubt that...nor do I doubt the advantages of taking such a course, which I am sure does not come cheap, and being 3 days would prob require at least one day off work, increasing the overall cost of the course, so still not what I am talking about.

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I’m looking for some other people to take a class from David Acosta, a world respected executive protection specialist/operative. He has an introductory class (20 hours from 6pm to ~10pm Mon-Fri) he’s willing to run in the Irvine area.

It’s packed with great info including the basics of surveillance, counter surveillance, tracking, CQB, etc. I was able to sit in on one class; the info was great but we had a lot of fun, too (real James Bond type stuff that promote a definite skill set in personal protection). The intro class gets you set for the full academy training (~160hrs for full EP certification where you can start booking jobs).

Anyone who signs up with me I’ll also take to Front Sight for their 4-Day Defensive Handgun course for free near Las Vegas.

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If you have Ten Years of firearms experience then you're more than qualified !
Heck, you can become very good in less than a year with practice. The objective is to practice so you can control your weapon and actually hit what your shooting at. If you can do those two things, your good to go ! Also knowing how to safely carry a gun is required too but that's the only part that comes the more you do it. If you know how to load, use the safety when you carry, conceal reasonably, shoot, control, break-down, and clean and re-assemble your gun that's all the basics you need to know. Going further into action shooting or scenario shooting much like law enforcement does, really isin't required by citizen who may have to use their firearm once in their lifetime.
Yes there are going to be exceptions but how many citizen who carry concealed do you know have had to use their weapon more than three times ?

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Greebo,
It looks to me that you are looking for a long time trainer or training center like going to school on a regular basis. You won't find one !!!
What you need to do is take this responsibility on yourself. If you need to, go to a facility such as Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, or others for a 4 or 5 day course. Once you finish, take what you have learned and incorporate it into your weekly or daily practice sessons. Change-up what you do in practice so it is not so repetitive. If you carry, it is "your" responsibility alone, to practice and train to become and remain proficient. I don't get out to practice as much as I would like due do financial concerns, but when I do go out for serious practice, it is usually a 500 round session, minimum. Take on the responsibility yourself and run with it...................


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It looks to me that you are looking for a long time trainer or training center like going to school on a regular basis. You won't find one !!!

If you carry, it is "your" responsibility alone, to practice and train to become and remain proficient.
Remarkable, I have to admit, I'm amazed at the reactions from most people, here and in real life...I get the same answers from my local gun range and even the couple of military instructors I've met. There is no one to train you, no where to go to train you but it's your responsibility to train yourself...and no one sees the problem with that?

forget it...I'm just going to walk away from this thread, it's just getting repetitive and silly to be honest.

I do thank you all for your time, input and answers
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I know you have to be able to shoot to be an EP Professional but it's more important to know how to avoid situations that would draw you into a gunfight. That's what the training is really all about. EPs don't look to engage enemies and take down attackers. They exfil, protect their primary and call the cops. It's more about having good intel, a solid plan and then knowing when to bug out when the plan goes south.

And I do go to Front Sight for firearms training at least once every 2 months or so. Exclusivley personal training tends to engrain bad habits by driving out the good. Forcing yourself to get out and actually face scenarios that have you scratching your head initially are critical to being able to survive a real deadly encounter.

A good example was when Dave took me to a training exercise he'd set up with several local PDs and SWAT groups in a school. We were running a Beslan-like scenario and set those poor police officers up. They train for single shooters - hear a shot and converge. So I sat on the second floor (to their right) looking down on the door and the police coming in. We had one guy fire at them on entry from the first floor, off to their left. The entire group wheeled and started firing at him (he was already halfway up the stairs). I opened up on full auto at 35 yds (we were shooting blanks). Most of them would have been severely injured or died had that been real.

You have to do the personal study but training with a group and with someone who will challenge what you think you know is the only way to find new levels of capability and understanding.

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