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Old 04-29-2014, 12:30 PM   #61
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Exactly!

Any good sniper can stop a battalion of infantry dead in their tracks until they send their own sniper teams to flush him out.

There is no quick and easy way to do that.

Waste all your artillery ammo? Not exactly.



In the asymmetric warfare of recent years most contacts are not battalion-sized and highly-trained counter-sniper assets are not always available. You don't "waste all your artillery ammo", you direct what you have on a calculated area to suppress the incoming that's killed or wounded some of your people. Whether it's organic SAF, shoulder-fired missile, designated marksman, helo-gunship or arty, you do what you have to do. You'd be surprised how quick and effective that kind of response can be.

Your observation that "any good sniper' can stop a battalion dead in it's tracks does have historical precedent...and if you look at it from the perspective of our enemies, nobody would want to face a Western-trained, tactically and technically sophisticated sniper. Luckily, most of those kinds of guys work for us.
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nowadays any lone gunman with an AK taking potshots at a unit will be considered a sniper. We only ever came up on 4-5 actual snipers when we were deployed for the most part they were foreign Al Qaeda fighters armed with SVD type rifles.


^^^There it is. And that holds true for most of the enemies we've fought since 1965.
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In the asymmetric warfare of recent years most contacts are not battalion-sized and highly-trained counter-sniper assets are not always available. You don't "waste all your artillery ammo", you direct what you have on a calculated area to suppress the incoming that's killed or wounded some of your people. Whether it's organic SAF, shoulder-fired missile, designated marksman, helo-gunship or arty, you do what you have to do. You'd be surprised how quick and effective that kind of response can be.

Your observation that "any good sniper' can stop a battalion dead in it's tracks does have historical precedent...and if you look at it from the perspective of our enemies, nobody would want to face a Western-trained, tactically and technically sophisticated sniper. Luckily, most of those kinds of guys work for us.
Hell if we couldn't get to the location to provide over watch and locate the sniper, the c130 was called to level the threat.
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I think the majority of snipers we've been encountering for the past 45 years or so might not meet the Quantico standard of "properly trained."
Quite often when I shoot a deer, none of the other deer can figure out were the shot came from, so they freeze.

If a dumb ass, redneck, deer hunter can figure out how to camouflage his shot, the Army has it down pat.
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Most of the people we are fighting who are called snipers these days are really just one or two idiots with aks taking potshots and slowing up patrols. They are sloppy and put the barrels out of windows or out of holes in a wall and are easily spotted and eradicated with extreme prejudice. Even the actual enemy snipers we have engaged suck and make tons of rookie mistakes ending up In them getting smoked. They are usually foreign fighters whom the "command" noticed actually aim and fire single shots and hit something these are singled out and given an svd and basic training with it and set loose the ones that survive 1-3 shots at us are usually veterans


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Only time I have 'seen a sniper in action' was in my time in the Army. We were doing a mascal exercise at NTC and idea was that one platoon gets ambushed in a village and the other goes in to assist. The 'insurgents', played by other Army personnel would keep attacking us, until eventually we all get wiped out. Yes, granted, its part of scenario - its not like range control guys would walk around and revive dead insurgents. In both iterations we took over 80% casualties, and, granted only some of them were picked off by the sniper. From probably less then 300 meters mind you! And we had thermal optics. And Bradleys. And mortars. But having a sniper operating in the area puts you at a massive tactical disadvantage. You look out a window - you risk getting shot. You stay inside - you are sitting ducks for dismounts. You stay deep in the room looking out a window - you still have a very limited field of vision.
Its extremely difficult to try and locate a sniper in the middle of a fire fight. Granted, if he is alone you can maneuver in his general direction with vehicles and find him eventually, but in the middle of a fight - not so much. Especially once you start taking casualties and set up CCPs you are more or less static and stuck where you are.
On the note of thermal devices - all you need to do is tie some camo netting on your gear, kevlar, and arms. What happens then is, yes, you dont become invisible, but your bright silhouette gets broken up by the camo net and not really all that easy to see. Plus thermal sights dont work nearly as well as they do in Call of Duty to begin with
Bottom line - a good sniper can cause a lot of pain for a much much larger force.
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another factor of using a sniper is the sheer pyschological advantage they can provide. a sniper working from a long distance taking out combatants does wonders on putting heads down and causing disorganization and confusion.

there are many times when a sniper team is used just to recon an area because they have the ability to get in, ge intel and get out without being observed.
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The standard tactic taught to small Unit commanders is to call in "supporting fire" when engauged by a sniper. Apply counter fire to the general area to pin the sniper down and use "artillery" or "explosives" to counter the threat. The SAW was the (infantry) squad level machine gun of choice for this. Really keeps their heads down.

As to what a "sniper" is, most of the incidents (8 out of 11) I was involved in Iraq and Afganistan in were single gunmen with moderate levels of training and decent marksmanship but no tactical training. Equipment was usually an AK or SVD type rifle. Most did not understand the use of movement and tactical relocation. Thus 3-4 shots and dead sniper from our superior counter fire capabilities. Veteran taliban fighters always had escape routes planned. Thats part of what made them such a tough enemy to capture. They made 1-2 shots and did a quick fade by a covered escape route.

As an officer I was often trying to identify the overwatch as much as the sniper themselves. When captured the snipers were typically very low on the intelligence totem pole, and had limited info. The overwatch people are intel officers and are a goldmine if you catch one....
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