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Old 08-31-2013, 10:58 PM   #81
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Most people don't pay much attention to others and won't notice a vest under a shirt . I'll bet a few people will notice, though .
The general feeling is that a II offers better protection from bruising, broken ribs etc . that can occur if you get shot and most people think it is worth the extra bulk .

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Thanks Rentacop. I assume in the winter it just keeps you warm? I've only been focused on hot weather and had not thought about cold weather. Any thoughts?

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Body armor is still heavy and stiff and doesn't breathe well in the winter . The warmth can be welcome but don't expect to love wearing it . Think of it as soft armor rather than magic bulletproof clothing .

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Old 09-02-2013, 05:00 AM   #84
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Thanks Rentacop. You and TekGreg are really helping me along.

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I never range fire anymore now that Im retired from the Army but all it took was one nightfire exercise with tracers for me to realize that once a bullet leaves a barrel, only god knows where it will end up, looks like bottle rockets when they ricochet! If I was on a civilian range, my uniform would include the same as a military one- vest and helmet and a serious low profile!

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The rule of thumb in the field for LEOs is you wear a vest that will stop whatever caliber handgun you carry. But that's because so many cops get shot with their own weapons. I don't notice a difference between II and IIIA. They're hot as crap and very uncomfortable no matter what. I have 3 vests. 2 department issue and 1 personal. All are level IIIA. The level II vest was an old one. My new level IIIAs are all lighter and more comfortable than my old level II.

I'd buy a III. If you're gonna be uncomfortable anyway you might as well have the extra protection. You will not notice a big difference. Eventually you get used to it. Until the chronic back problems start that is. None of these will stop a rifle round.

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Level II-A
.22 Magnum 40 GR, solid point, 6.5 inch barrel 1180 ft./sec. + 50-0
.38 Cal. Special 125 GR, SJHP + P, 6 inch barrel 1050 ft./sec. + 50-0
.38 Cal. Special 158 GR, lead + P, 6 inch barrel 1090 ft./sec. + 50-0
.38 Cal. Special 110 GR, JHP + P, 6 inch barrel 1235 ft./sec. + 50-0
.40 Cal. Auto 180 GR, FMJ, 5 inch barrel 1055 ft./sec. + 30-30
.40 Cal. Auto 180 GR, FMJ, 4 inch barrel 1050 ft./sec. + 50-0
.40 Cal. Auto 180 Gr, Hydra Shock 5 inch barrel 1015 ft./sec. + 50-0
.45 Cal. Auto 230 GR, FMJ 5 inch barrel 810 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 Magnum 158 GR, JSP, 4 inch barrel 1250 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 Magnum 158 GR, lead, 4 inch barrel 1250 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 Magnum 158 GR, lead, SWC, 4 inch barrel 1300 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 124 GR, FMJ, 5.5 inch barrel 1120 ft./sec. + 30-30
9 mm 124 GR, FMJ, 4 inch barrel 1090 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 115 GR, JHP, 4 inch barrel 1175 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 115 GR, Subsonic JCE, 5 inch barrel 1050 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 124 GR, Black Talon, 4 inch barrel 1100 ft./sec. + 50-0
12 Gauge OO Buck, 9 Pellet, 20 inch barrel 1200 ft./sec. + 50-0

Level II
.44 Magnum 240 GR, lead, 4 inch barrel 1200 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 Magnum 125 GR, JHP, 6 inch barrel 1450 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 Magnum 158 GR, JSP, 6 inch barrel 1430 ft./sec. + 30-30
.357 SIG 125 GR, JHP, 5 inch barrel 1350 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 SIG 125 GR, JHP, 4 inch barrel 1350 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 SIG 125 GR, Gold Dot JHP, 4 inch barrel 1374 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 124 GR, FMJ, 9.5 inch barrel 1205 ft./sec. + 30-30
9 mm 124 GR, FMJ, 6 inch barrel 1175 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 115 GR, FMJ, 6 inch barrel 1300 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 115 GR, JHP, 6 inch barrel 1450 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 147 GR, Winchester Ranger +P JHP, 4.5 inch barrel 1325 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 123 GR, Geco steel case, lead core 1250 ft./sec. + 50-0
9mm 124 GR, CZ steel case, lead core 1250 ft./sec. + 50-0
10mm 180 GR, JHP, 5 inch barrel 1010 ft./sec. + 50-0
.22 40 GR, LR FMC, 22 inch barrel 1850 ft./sec. + 50-0

Level III-A
.44 Magnum 240 GR, SWC, 8 inch barrel 1400 ft./sec. + 50-0
.44 Magnum 240 GR, JHP, 8 inch barrel 1430 ft./sec. + 30-30
9 mm 127 GR, JHP, 9.5 inch barrel 1425 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 124 GR, FMJ, 9.5 inch barrel 1430 ft./sec. + 30-30
9 mm 123 GR, Laupa FMC, 4 inch barrel 1300 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 116 GR, Norma FMJ, 4 inch barrel 1300 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 116 GR, Canadian FMJ, 5 inch barrel 1300 ft./sec. + 50-0
9 mm 147 GR, Winchester Ranger +P+ JHP, 6 inch barrel 1450 ft./sec. + 50-0
.357 Magnum Remington, 125 GR, JSP, 6 inch barrel 1610 - 1700 ft./sec.
7.62 mm x 25 mm Steel case, lead core 1390 - 1450 ft./sec.
9 mm 124 GR, FMJ, 12 inch barrel 1600 - 1650 ft./sec.
12 Gauge, 1oz. Rifled Slug, 20 inch barrel 2 3/4" chamber

Full chart at http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/ballistic-chart#sthash.Jt9j7oZR.dpuf

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Thanks for the input Delta! What are your thoughts concerning II vs IIIA vs III concerning the heat and humidity of Florida as well as the lack of clothing? It's a must for me to be able to conceal it.

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Thanks for the input Delta! What are your thoughts concerning II vs IIIA vs III concerning the heat and humidity of Florida as well as the lack of clothing? It's a must for me to be able to conceal it.
If you're wearing a vest and somebody looks at you who knows what they're looking at, they're gonna see it. They're all hot. I was raised in the south and work in the south. Once you get that vest on you're baking no matter what. Level III is usually hard/flexible. You're moving up into rifle rounds at that point. The ones ive seen are bulkier and heavier. That's a whole different game and the price point is rediculous (or was when I last looked which was admittedly a long time ago.) IMO that's overkill for a day at the range.
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Nobody said anything.....about Glocks until you posted about your bacon dog who needs dentures.

What did somebody forget to engage their safety and shoot the dogs front teeth out? Or are we blaming that on the Glock shooters?

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Unless I'm mistaken...
The opening post was regarding wearing a vest in case of negligence. NOT in case of a random gun fight at the range.

To be treated basically the same way as ear and eye pro.

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Unless I'm mistaken...
The opening post was regarding wearing a vest in case of negligence. NOT in case of a random gun fight at the range.

To be treated basically the same way as ear and eye pro.
Right, what I'm saying is soft armor pretty much all looks and feels close to the same so you might as well get something that will protect against most handgun rounds which would be IIIA. The heat factor is nonexistent they're all hot and they all turn into a sweatbox summer or winter. The weight factor isn't that noticible.

III is moving into the hard armor category and doesn't look or feel the same. It's bulkier and heavier (or it used to be, again I haven't priced or seen hard armor in years.) No reason for hard armor on a range. That's overkill to me.
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