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Old 03-28-2013, 04:14 AM   #41
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You're right about helping. A lot of my friends would call me crazy if I brought up the subject. The exceptions being veterans I'm close to, they understand, but don't have a lot of exp wearing "stateside armor".

As a side note, I was checking out some armor at a recent gun show. The man selling it said he contracted for Black Water. I asked him if he was still with Academi and he looked puzzled and said who is that? What a complete liar and pretender. I couldn't believe he was saying stuff that wasn't true to try and con me into taking his word and buying the armor.

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You're right about helping. A lot of my friends would call me crazy if I brought up the subject. The exceptions being veterans I'm close to, they understand, but don't have a lot of exp wearing "stateside armor".

As a side note, I was checking out some armor at a recent gun show. The man selling it said he contracted for Black Water. I asked him if he was still with Academi and he looked puzzled and said who is that? What a complete liar and pretender. I couldn't believe he was saying stuff that wasn't true to try and con me into taking his word and buying the armor.
Yeah you will find morons like that out there, all they are trying to do is make a buck off of whatever sucker will listen to their lies
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I'm an OEF veteran so I am familiar with the IOTV(Improved Outer Tactical Vest). I'm looking for something similar and close to the same amount of protection after recently had to draw down on some dumbass at the range for sending a round past my wifes head because of a negligent discharge. Some advice would be much appreciated.

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At a handgun combat range about 20 years ago I got burned by a wadcutter ricochet under the arm. I've been hurt enough in my life by flying objects. Nothing stupid about protecting yourself...here at my own range I wear a plate carrier & plate. If I used a public range I'd probably wear a concealable rig.

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7.62, what would you recommend for a concealable rig? I'm in FL so I've been looking at IIA, but I'm still confused.

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I've just sat back and watched to make sure they weren't being reckless, but I've seen plenty of people that while always pointing the barrel down-range, certainly appear a bit nervous. I'm by no means a seasoned expert, but know enough to help others out when I can or at least point them out the SO. And of course there's a thread here with some crazy and tragic range stories.
If someone here acted unsafely at the range they would be told not to come back.
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I'm an OEF veteran so I am familiar with the IOTV(Improved Outer Tactical Vest). I'm looking for something similar and close to the same amount of protection after recently had to draw down on some dumbass at the range for sending a round past my wifes head because of a negligent discharge. Some advice would be much appreciated.
Just read your post brother, I can get you hooked up with a good setup like you are wanting, unfortunately I just had spine reconstruction surgery and have taken my meds for the night. I will try to get with you tomorrow and get you some options and info on how to get a setup like you are wanting.
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7.62, what would you recommend for a concealable rig? I'm in FL so I've been looking at IIA, but I'm still confused.
I see you still are a little unsure yet 1911? What are your concerns still about what all info we have gotten you? This is a tough decision so I understand, if you still have some questions go ahead and shoot.
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Just read your post brother, I can get you hooked up with a good setup like you are wanting, unfortunately I just had spine reconstruction surgery and have taken my meds for the night. I will try to get with you tomorrow and get you some options and info on how to get a setup like you are wanting.
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Robo...

I've been looking at some level II LEO used and over run vests at bulletproofme.com

I understand these have a 5 year warranty period but this site has video of 11 year old vests stoping everything they were designed to stop... And they seem to Run about half the cost of new.

The only armor I've ever worn was the old woodland camo flak vests that were standard issue back in my grunt days and would appreciate your insight...

If it was your money...
Would you be concerned about a vest that was older than 5 years...
Tuckable flaps? Do these prevent the best from riding up while seated...
Side protection... Sure, it's more protection but is it so uncomfortable that you'd rather not wear it at all...

I'd imaging you've gon through several of these over the years so please enlighten me. With 3 of 4 kids "yet to raise" I'd like to make sure that any range mishaps result in cracked or broken ribs rather than a through and through from some newbs FMJ target load..

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We tested some old Level IIA armor a few years back. These had been used for a year in drown proofing training. They had been soaked in a swimming pool numerous times and air dried after. They were 14 years old. They all stopped better than they were rated for. Even stopped my .41 Mag 170gr JHC @ 1600 fps!

The old PASGT vests stop pretty well too. The only thing we were able to shoot through them was .357 Sig FMJ's

Any armor is better than no armor. I would stay away from the "gold" armor or anything with Zylon. That stuff is crap. Not thermally stable. LGet it over about 120 degrees and it breaks down.

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Mandatory as an employee of the range, or mandatory to use the range?
Everyone on the range. Shooting, officiating or observing.
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