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Old 04-07-2014, 05:08 AM   #21
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I'm sure they would snap at some point, I mean after you beat a dozen guys or so to death it would take it's toll good thing he has a bunch.
well we took them out of an old house being tore down, and they have to be at least 60 years old, maybe even older. we used lots of them to build horse stalls in father's barn. we used them for floor boards in trailers as well. we got 2x4's, 2x6's and 2x10's. these are rough cut lumber, so they are true to size.
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well we took them out of an old house being tore down, and they have to be at least 60 years old, maybe even older. we used lots of them to build horse stalls in father's barn. we used them for floor boards in trailers as well. we got 2x4's, 2x6's and 2x10's. these are rough cut lumber, so they are true to size.
You know, while we're on topic why are boards sold commercially never true to size?
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You know, while we're on topic why are boards sold commercially never true to size?
they shrink when they are kiln dried. so a 2x4 starts out as a 2x4, but shrinks when it's cured. plus they many times seal chemicals into them when they are kiln dried to help them resist rotting and insects.
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they shrink when they are kiln dried. so a 2x4 starts out as a 2x4, but shrinks when it's cured. plus they many times seal chemicals into them when they are kiln dried to help them resist rotting and insects.
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You know, while we're on topic why are boards sold commercially never true to size?
They are true to size, just not the size they are sold to be! They are milled green at that size then shrink after they are stickered and dried.
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Actually a 2x4 is cut as a 2x4. Then it is run through a planer to smooth the surface. Each pass of the planer takes 1/4" from the board. Wood is dried before it is cut to ensure consistent sizing.

http://www.wisegeek.org/why-are-2-x-4s-not-two-inches-by-four-inches.htm
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I am sure those planks were cut to loose tolerances (an AK pun intended). Anyways you get a crushing blow from behind, you absorb it then turn and engage the threat. The underlying philosophy of this exercise and getting blasted by your ear is that you are dispensable. Training accidents will happen, and if you get unlucky someone can take your place for the greater good.
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I am sure those planks were cut to loose tolerances (an AK pun intended). Anyways you get a crushing blow from behind, you absorb it then turn and engage the threat. The underlying philosophy of this exercise and getting blasted by your ear is that you are dispensable. Training accidents will happen, and if you get unlucky someone can take your place for the greater good.
It makes no difference how replaceable a soldier may or may not be, it costs a lot of money to train that soldier. The Russians have no need to intentionally give their very best soldiers a case of tinnitus. Why drop a deaf soldier behind enemy lines?

Special forces have to be ready to deploy at a moments notice. A man that has been shot and beat with a board will be useless for training or combat for weeks.

The video might be of Russians training but they were not military or any kind of professional soldier. Just some idiots with a camera and some light duty vests. Probably the Russian version of stupid people with a camera.
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It makes no difference how replaceable a soldier may or may not be, it costs a lot of money to train that soldier. The Russians have no need to intentionally give their very best soldiers a case of tinnitus. Why drop a deaf soldier behind enemy lines?

Special forces have to be ready to deploy at a moments notice. A man that has been shot and beat with a board will be useless for training or combat for weeks.

The video might be of Russians training but they were not military or any kind of professional soldier. Just some idiots with a camera and some light duty vests. Probably the Russian version of stupid people with a camera.
You make complete sense. But that's how they do it.

The video is a typical demo/propaganda, designed to impress and/or scare. But it is still a glimpse at the Russian training. Believe me (or not) the board slamming is for real.

Permanent hearing damage is cumulative. Their calculation (just a guess) is that one can sustain a temporary hearing loss, then recover, and prove capable of fighting under the most extreme circumstances. If you are not convinced... I am not their sales rep.
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Im willing to believe that this is the actual kind of training that Spetnaz soldiers go through . That said, the Russians may or may not be formidable adversaries in an actual war .
Under the old Soviet regime and probably under Putin, it would not pay to rock the boat, point out flaws, blow the whisle or demand reforms . Inefficiency and idiocy would be permitted to go on lest someone have to take blame . Alcoholism is rampant in Russia . I refer to Victor Belenko's experience as related in John Barron's book, Mig Pilot .

Russian troops didn't wash their hands in Afghanistan so disease took a toll on their army . [ Washington Post article ]

In WWII, primitive Russian farm people were unable to match the skill of the more technologically saavy Germans, when trained as pilots . Their command and control was chaotic too. I refer to Stuka Pilot by Hans Ulrich Rudel .

Another good book for guaging Russian effectiveness is Panzer Leader .

It is worth noting that our troops, brought up on video games and conditioned to kill by modern military psychology ( see On Killing by Col. David Grossman ) , have not recoiled in fear from bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan despite missing Spetnaz-type training .
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