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Old 08-06-2009, 12:23 AM   #11
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I've been telling folks pretty much the very same thing for years. If you hit 'em enough times, it don't matter what you hit 'em with. Plus, with that new segmented hollow point that CCI offers, one shot would leave 4 holes in soft tissue. I'm not sure hoe effective it'd be against a skull or breastbone, though.

Great post and the pics were great as well.

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From a rifle, a 40gr HP is going to be best overall. It runs a greater risk of flatting against the thicker parts of the skull if that's the target, but for CoM hits it will do more damage than your average .32acp FMJ.

For pistols, a 40grRN is going to be the best. The Hyper Velocity ones like the Aguila Interceptor will come out around 1050 from a ~3.5" barrel, and around 950 from a 2.75" barrel.

For a long time my only weapon was a 10/22. However, in the last year I've put like 6-7k rounds through it, mostly in drills, so I am actually quite confident with it.

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...and if anyone wants additional information...
Excellent post! I would like to add to it.

I am having a rim-fire shootout at my range over Labor Day Weekend. I'm still in Iraq for a couple more weeks, so I sent my wife to Wal-Mart to purchase .22LR for those who don't bring ammo.

She purchased 3300 rounds for $108.

Personally, I'm a training junkie. However, it gets harder and harder to go to the cool high-speed schools because of ammo cost an availability. More and more schools (including most of my company's courses) are allowing a lot of the training to be done with .22s for the live-fire events. Of course, this doesn't apply to qualification courses, but for the practicing, shooting is shooting.

I even purchased a Sig Sauer Mosquito .22LR pistol for testing, as it is almost the size of the P226 9mm as a training alternative. I'm not happy with the performance, but maybe with a little tweaking, it'll end up being reliable enough to be viable enough for training. (Wow! I'm a poet and didn't know it!) The Mosquito runs about $300-$350, so what's another $100 worth of gunsmithing to have a great trainer substitute??

When I was poor, jobless, and almost homeless, I carried a Jennings .22 in my pocket. When things got better, I gave it to my oldest boy, but got rid of it after it started coming apart as he fired it. We put about 300 rnds through it before it started happening. It's not a work horse, by any means. His hands are big enough to hold the Ruger Mark IV now, so that's what he shoots. Sometimes, cheap enough isn't necessarily good enough. It's like driving a car with the steel belt showing on all four tires. Drive it to get you to work, but you better get some tires with your first paycheck.
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Excellent post. The moral of the story seems to be - it would truly suck to get shot.

I wouldn't suggest people immediately press their single-action semi-automatic target pistols into defensive service. Ergonomics, concealment, and scary light triggers might be drawbacks. Still, a .22 and lots of practice might be worthwhile for many people.

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The one thing to remember with a .22LR is you MUST train to fire in multiple shot strings. Don't ever expect one round of .22LR to immediately stop an attack.

Train hard with a .22LR and be confident. If you put multiple rounds directly into center of mass, the threat WILL stop (physics and physiology will take over).

If you can do better than a .22LR, do so. If all you have is a .22LR don't feel under-gunned. Something is better than nothing, and if anyone wants additional information or training ideas, please let me know and I will make time to post up some good ideas for drills and such to maximize training with this little round.
This is a relief to read. As I just got my .22 rifle last weekend and this is my ONLY home defense firearm. My only other thing is a bat, and quite frankly I'm not that good in close combat situations!!
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My only firearm for several months was my 10/22. I trained a good bit with multi-shot strings, dragging up from the chest to the head. Invest in at least one good hi-cap mag ( Tactical Innovations Inc. ) and practice putting maybe five shots into a silhouette as quickly as possible. As silly as it sounds, I even did some practice bump-firing, where I'd transition my shooting hand from my normal firing position to a "finger-only" position and rap off 3-6 rounds as quickly as possible on target.

And, statistically, the best rounds (something like CCI Velocitor work well) will have at least 40% chance of a one-shot-stop, so if you can put 3 or 4 into CoM in a second, I think you'll be just fine.

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The only gun in my house is a Walther PP in .22lr, and I prefer it over a baseball bat or a knife (already I have both nearby JIC) because I'm partially disabled (I can't run or even walk fast)...
It's loaded with CCI mini-mags

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Good job SGT!

The lowly .22lr is a fine caliber and the brunt of too many jokes.

PS It is the caliber of choice for Mob Hits!

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Asmel, you might consider the Aguila Interceptor. If you are using the MiniMag Solids (which you should be to get the most penetration possible), you are only getting about 850-900fps out of the short barrel. The Interceptors should be around 1000fps for just a little more umph, relatively speaking. This is more important for head shots, to lessen the chances of the bullet getting stuck in the thick facial bones or glancing off angular parts of the skull.

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Asmel, you might consider the Aguila Interceptor. If you are using the MiniMag Solids (which you should be to get the most penetration possible), you are only getting about 850-900fps out of the short barrel. The Interceptors should be around 1000fps for just a little more umph, relatively speaking.
The problem in Venezuela is we can't buy what we want but we can find... Usually in here you can find MiniMags, Federal and Remington.... time to time some Eley... that's it.
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