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 11-29-2010, 02:16 AM | #1 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 191 |  To +1... or not to +1... i got a question
So i have been trying to dispel some fears of some family and friends related to firearms. In teaching them how a auto hand gun works, i have explained the magazine being in the gun as more of a "storage" place for your ammo.
I got to thinking though, is it "possible" i.e. could happen within reason, that a gun could somehow some way fire with nothing in the chamber, but a fully loaded mag in? (and i am not talking you accidentally catch the slide on something and rack it). Has anyone ever heard of any accidental shooting where the gun was carried in this state?
Also add in if you do carry full mag +1 and why you think it is worth the added risk. I do not carry it cocked and locked, as i am just too weary of an accident with my little ones, or ANYONE for that matter. But i have a compact .40 that is 6 +1. So i would love one more round. __________________
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| 11-29-2010, 02:34 AM | #2 | Sic Semper Tyrannis Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , The Mother Lode Posts: 18,437 |
Some pistols are designed to be carried cocked and locked. The 1911 is a perfect example, the Browning Hi Power is another. If the pistol has the capability of being carried that way, then carry it that way. That's how it was intended to be carried.
I'm in Sacramento, CA and the chance of me getting a CCW are as good as getting the Snow-Cone franchise in Hades, so I don't carry. However, at home loaded pistols are cocked and locked. That means +1, with a round in the chamber.
A pistol that doesn't have a round in the chamber has no chance of the firing pin striking the primer of a round even if dropped. The possibility of a round going off if the pistol is dropped without a round chambered is slim and none.
I am not a firearms expert and don't even play one on TV, but I feel this is sound knowledge. __________________
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| 11-29-2010, 03:02 AM | #3 | Dead Wolves = Good Wolves Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Rochester WI, Rochester WI Posts: 8,314 Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts
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Originally Posted by theferg2000
Also add in if you do carry full mag +1 and why you think it is worth the added risk. I do not carry it cocked and locked, as i am just too weary of an accident with my little ones, or ANYONE for that matter. But i have a compact .40 that is 6 +1. So i would love one more round.
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the added risk is not having a loaded weapon when something happens.
if you have children and the gun isnt on your person it should be locked until you can properly train your kiddos in firearm safety __________________
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| 11-29-2010, 03:39 AM | #4 | I'm always 10-8 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 150 miles NE of Sloppy Joe's Bar, in the "GunShine" State Posts: 19,200 Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts
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I don’t dumb down my EDC to be safe, I carry it in Condition One and only.
When I safely draw it from my holster it will be extremely dangerous as I blow the dirtbag’s heart out!
 
If you carry a 1911 or BHP in any form other than Cocked & Locked (Condition 1) you are in a state of false security. The heart-beat it takes to rack that round may be your last.
Very few people can be totally ruthless, it takes more strength than one can imagine....
Those that can’t get berated by Yoda and become politicians.
Please read this:
Read this before you decide to carry!__________________ .
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| 11-29-2010, 03:58 AM | #5 | Sic Semper Tyrannis Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: , The Mother Lode Posts: 18,437 |
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| 11-29-2010, 04:17 AM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 191 |
I have rarely carried my .45 1911, just because it is not something that i could conceal carry very often. I do keep it cocked and locked in the small quick open hand gun safe for home protection.
But my carry guns in the past have all been compact autos (mostly .380, 9, ,40). I just got a Taurus PT740 (.40) and i dont keep one in the chamber (and have not in the past). I keep it on me all the time even at home (home invasions, and for anything else). It goes in the handgun safe at night with the 1911.
What do you think about not going +1 with the compacts? How do you know which guns are designed for it, is there a rule, or just reading the manual. __________________
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| 11-29-2010, 04:24 AM | #7 | I'm always 10-8 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: 150 miles NE of Sloppy Joe's Bar, in the "GunShine" State Posts: 19,200 Liked 7 Times on 6 Posts
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+1, ALWAYS.
You must NEVER be afraid of your gun.
Respect yes, fear....don't load it!
You carry a gun to be ready, needing to load it is NOT ready. __________________ .
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| 11-29-2010, 08:41 AM | #8 | Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Third bunker on the right, Central Virginia Posts: 8,376 Liked 5 Times on 5 Posts
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1. I know of no gun that was NOT designed to be carried loaded, with the possible exception of the old style Colt/Ruger SINGLE ACTION revolvers, that should not have hammer resting on a loaded chamber. Modern DA revolvers, modern autos, etc, are intended to be carried loaded.
2. Learn to keep yer booger hook off'n the bangswitch until yer ready to shoot. (translation- you finger should not be inside of the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
3. A firearm with an empty chamber can no more fire than a car with no gasoline can start up and run down the highway.
4. Yes, a magazine is where ammo is stored. The name comes from the French word for "storehouse".
5. An unloaded firearm is a poorly designed club. Remember Barney Fife?
6. With the exception of time outs in the hospital, I have carried pretty much every day since 1968. Have not had a firearm decide to shoot without me telling it to. __________________
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| 11-29-2010, 11:44 AM | #9 | Dead Wolves = Good Wolves Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Rochester WI, Rochester WI Posts: 8,314 Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts
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the handgun or rifle or is only as safe as the person wielding it. i keep my self defense guns loaded with one in the chamber and full mags. 1911 and AR its a flick of the safety and ready to roll. my little pocket rocket 380 ppk copy bersas one in the chamber hammer down safety off as they are double action and intended to be carried that way. __________________
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| 11-29-2010, 12:07 PM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,158 |
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5. An unloaded firearm is a poorly designed club. Remember Barney Fife?
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As always, C3 has nailed another one... | |
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