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epleyjoseph 04-13-2013 09:50 PM

I'm having the slide of my 1911 refinished with nickel boron, and I have an idea to make it more of a personalized, custom look. I was thinking I use a dremel to make an engraving and then drop it in the parkerizing solution to blacken up (and protect, of course) metal that I took off. But then, I'm not certain how it would react to the nickel boron finish. I have heard that it wouldn't have any reaction, or that the phosphate would simply rub off, but I have no reliable sources on this. Any experience or better ideas to accomplish the same thing?

danf_fl 04-14-2013 10:08 AM

It is not good to finish over parkerizins.

I would engrave and then cover is oil. Oil is easier to remove than Parkerizing.

epleyjoseph 04-15-2013 03:00 AM

Oil is always a good idea of course, but would it be enough to protect bare metal over many years and hard usage?

BillDeShivs 04-15-2013 06:46 AM

Dremels are not for engraving. At best, the work will be crude. At worst, it will look awful.

epleyjoseph 04-15-2013 01:12 PM

Actually, there are all kinds of dremel bits that are designed specifically for engraving (even engraving steel). With a little experience and a steady hand, you can get very nice results.

BillDeShivs 04-15-2013 05:38 PM

As a professional hand engraver and cutler, I can safely say that you are wrong. You can make marks in metal with a Dremel, but controlling those marks enough to call it "engraving" is nearly impossible.
Also, cutting through your nickel plating can cause flaking and corrosion in and around the cuts. BTW- I do plating also.
You should have had any engraving done before the plating.

epleyjoseph 04-15-2013 08:39 PM

Thank you, that's the kind of information that comes in handy before starting a project, lol.

I'm still a little skeptical that engraving of any kind CANNOT be done with a dremel. But I only say this because I've seen some good looking designs done that way. Of course I would never encourage anyone to shamelessly take a dremel to their firearm, but this was meant to be a small learners project anyways.

Thanks again though for the heads up about the plating chipping off.

BillDeShivs 04-15-2013 11:59 PM

Practice that Dremel engraving on scrap steel.
Then get back to me.

epleyjoseph 04-16-2013 01:01 AM

Challenge accepted!!

DuraCoater 04-17-2013 05:46 PM

The only way a Dremel will be able to cut it at engraving is if you use it in conjunction with one of those kits that basically turns your Dremel into a drill press station or similar.

By hand? You won't be happy for sure.

http://cdn.instructables.com/FU8/UCF...BL4K.LARGE.jpg


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