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Old 08-07-2012, 01:18 AM   #21
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Why would people die in urban areas? what would kill them besides lack of knowledge ?
human nature - in the event of a major catastrophe (ala Katrina) without adequate food, supplies and order most people in urban areas will turn on each other

The density of the population of an urban area will only exacerbate the situation
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Very interesting read on the subject

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32544.pdf

Electronics that are turned off already have a much higher survivability rating. This whole EMP thing is certainly plausible, but it really does not make any sense. What do they plan on doing? Shutting down our infrastructure and invading? Someone should let them know we don't need electricity for firearms, and most of our national defenses are shielded from such an attack.

Not to mention the Nuclear Retaliation against any country harboring those responsible...unless of course we have Obama in office, in which case he'll be bowing in mercy.

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Very interesting read on the subject

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32544.pdf

Electronics that are turned off already have a much higher survivability rating. This whole EMP thing is certainly plausible, but it really does not make any sense. What do they plan on doing? Shutting down our infrastructure and invading? Someone should let them know we don't need electricity for firearms, and most of our national defenses are shielded from such an attack.

Not to mention the Nuclear Retaliation against any country harboring those responsible...unless of course we have Obama in office, in which case he'll be bowing in mercy.
NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs, cruise missiles and drones, allowing construction of electromagnetic bombs with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects and without the political consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

EMP is no longer "top secret" but information about it is still a little sketchy and hard to come by. Adding to the problems is the fact that its effects are hard to predict; even electronics designers have to test their equipment in powerful EMP simulators before they can be sure it is really capable of with standing the effect.

EMP can be concentrated. That could happen if it were "pulled in" by a stretch of metal. If this happened, EMP would be dangerous to living things. It could become concentrated by metal girders, large stretches of wiring (including telephone lines), long antennas, or similar set ups. So—if a nuclear war were in the offing—you'd do well to avoid being very close to such concentrations. (A safe distance for nuclear-generated EMP would be at least 8 feet from such stretches of metal.)

This concentration of EMP by metal wiring is one reason that most electrical equipment and telephones would be destroyed by the electrical surge. It isn't that the equipment itself is really all that sensitive, but that the surge would be so concentrated that nothing working on low levels of electricity would survive
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Good read they are long.
EMP Commission
http://www.empcommission.org/

http://www.empcommission.org/reports.php

And on Faraday cages

http://science.howstuffworks.com/faraday-cage.htm

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Why would people die in urban areas? what would kill them besides lack of knowledge ?
Gridlock, looting, fighting for resources.
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Why would people die in urban areas? what would kill them besides lack of knowledge ?
Population density is too high to support itself; big cities (think New York) can't exist for more than a couple days without a constant supply of everything they depend on like food, water, fuel, electrical power, etc. Large urban centers also often have a very high concentration of morons (rich and poor) who would rather sit and wait to be rescued than take on the responsibility of seeing to their needs themselves.
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Continuing that New York City example...
14 million people there during a work day -- that's hard to manage.

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Gridlock, looting, fighting for resources.
Sometimes i do miss living in midtown Memphis.
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You serious? In urban areas you can't grow your own food and when a massive emp disables everything electronic including the fleet of trucks that keep the stores stocked stop moving the country will grind to a halt. People will fight each other for what they have. Dead trucks on the highways will be the scene of riots. Sanitation in the cities also depends on electricity so disease from piles of trash and human feces will be a major problem. All these things and more will cause death and destruction in the cities after an emp.
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