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Old 05-08-2012, 05:24 AM   #81
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want my opinion EAGLE SIX ill stand againts anyone who tries to disarm me and take this farm im a regular hillbilly never been in the army marines or anythang but i can trace my kin back to the Civil War SOUTHERN SIDE!! to my grandad in WW2 and my Dad in Veitnam the army is not the same as it once was just like America is not the Same as it once was if u wanna look at what can happen to this country when bunch of idiots who dont like what the PEOPLE are doing take a look at the Civil War were the north came down and burned raped killed many good people it will be happen all over again. i have to agree with HoukaLouis on this one i can see it more more more on this sight it will be Us the Common Folk againts Police Army or whatever they be called at that time as just read your above statements

I've wondered as well. No disrespect to anyone. But I've wondered why only 1% of Americans serve. Those who don't may talk big, but if they aren't willing to defend their rights against foreign enemies, why would they against domestic enemies? Just a thought. Don't read too much in to it, things have been getting heated =S

Serously so i must be a nansy pansy who just likes to talk big because i never served like my ForFathers did?? GET REAL SEE WHAT YOUR SAYIN!

Damned hillbillies...got to love them!

I'd take five fellers from some holler in Kentucky, or the Cumberland Gap in Tennessee with a "shotgun a rifle, and a four wheel drive" any damned day of the week over 20 nitwit "tactical teddy wannabes".
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:19 AM   #82
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So, if you hate and mistrust cops...look inside yourself, and make an honest assessment. I think you will find a generally dirty past filled with scumbag things you've done, but have no remorse over it because you have a seriously messed up moral compass, and don't recognize real honesty or integrity.
Maybe they have run into a cop that was full of his/her self and that left a bad taste in their mouth, it doesn't mean their a scumbag or messed up, in your own words,

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The truth is, I don't know you, and thus couldn't generate a positive or negative emotion or opinion about you on a personal level.

But you do generate a negative opinion on anyone that hates or mistrusts police. You have never known a police officer to, stretch the truth, get upset for questioning their authority? Or was just a scumbag their self? Well I have. Granted most are good officers, but after a run in with a bad cop your opinion changes on most all cops. So don't go and get all holier than though, you might be the best police officer in the world, I don't know you, just like you don't know me or the experiences I have had with police or how I live my life.

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Old 05-08-2012, 07:37 AM   #83
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[quote=paintsplat;793771]Maybe they have run into a cop that was full of his/her self and that left a bad taste in their mouth, it doesn't mean their a scumbag or messed up, in your own words,

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The truth is, I don't know you, and thus couldn't generate a positive or negative emotion or opinion about you on a personal level.

But you do generate a negative opinion on anyone that hates or mistrusts police. You have never known a police officer to, stretch the truth, get upset for questioning their authority? Or was just a scumbag their self? Well I have. Granted most are good officers, but after a run in with a bad cop your opinion changes on most all cops. So don't go and get all holier than though, you might be the best police officer in the world, I don't know you, just like you don't know me or the experiences I have had with police or how I live my life.

Formerly Sgt USAF Security Specialist.[/quote]

Bah...all Chair Force pukes are too chicken**** to be real soldiers anyway.

See...isn't THAT just as insulting to Air Force Personel?

Oh and no...I couldn't generate an emotion about him/her/it...not personally anyway. I can, however, generate an opinion about the words they type, and the bull**** contained therein.

Either way...it really doesn't matter. I am defeding an honorable profession to those who couyldn't get or do the job anyway.
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Bah...all Chair Force pukes are too chicken**** to be real soldiers anyway.

See...isn't THAT just as insulting to Air Force Personel?

Oh and no...I couldn't generate an emotion about him/her/it...not personally anyway. I can, however, generate an opinion about the words they type, and the bull**** contained therein.

Either way...it really doesn't matter. I am defeding an honorable profession to those who couyldn't get or do the job anyway.
And you personally know AF personnel from all jobs in the AF?
I have met some personnel from your profession that I wouldn't turn my back on, have known them from 1-26 yrs

It really does matter, not all law enforcement personal are honorable. And by your posts my opinion is, me thinks your shoveling it on a little thick and just a little full of your self. Now if I actually met you and we talked, my opinion might change just like yours might. But NO profession is totally honorable. Oh, and I did go through the schooling needed in my state to become a cop, (2yrs tech school, top 2 year school in state for law enforcement) and most of the other students in my class made me ashamed to be a police officer so I chose another career after 2yrs
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And I did do it for six years in the service along with advanced infantry, and total base security.
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i admire AZL for his courage to defend his profession and position. do i believe he is naive to think that there are no corrupt individuals in his profession? i don't personally know AZL, but he doesn't strike me as naive about anything. do i believe there are corrupt LEO? yes, i do. do i believe there are LEO who do a good job selflessly with out any reward or praise and do it honorably and with professionilism and dignity? yes and i believe these more than outnumber the few who are corrupt or should have thought about another career field. a corrupt or bad LEO who has stepped over the line is brought to the attention of people because of the profession. any profession has people who are corrupt, dishonest and incompetent, but you will never hear about them because they are not newsworthy stories. a LEO who is caught doing wrong is news. my viewpoint is your chances of coming across a dishonest or corrupt LEO is less likely than coming across one who is dedicated to his profession and serving it with honor and dignity.

just some background on my family, i have an uncle who retired from the Texas Highway Patrol with over twenty years of service. i have two half-brothers, one is with the California Highway Patrol, the other is a detective with a small police department in California, i have another uncle who retired from a sheriffs department here in Texas with over thirty years of service and his son, my cousin serves with the same sheriffs department still. i know the dedication they have put into their profession and the sacrifices they all have made over the years, and i know their characters and without a doubt, i know that they have will always do the right thing because they are honorable men who do the job they do not for money or glory, but because they believe in what they are doing makes a difference.
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Police enforce the law, and then some. Too often. Imagine if this defensive AZL pulled YOU over, per the orders he followed to generate revenue for the state to pay his pension as well as "protect and serve" you. Then you find he was in the unstable mood he's in NOW just from YOU DAMN CIVILIANS recognizing that all officers are not always honorable. Uh oh!

Again, for AZL, cops are the flip-side of the same coin as criminals. At least the better ones tend to be. They actually fight crime with a penchant for doing the right thing. But sometimes they flip. AZL seems to have revealed he's the poster-child of the cops people fear and loath. Lotta yahoos get a gun and a badge. Except in AZL's blue-tinted universe -- "respect my authority" he hisses. At least cops like AZL apparently was, we don't really know, may be being replaced by red light cameras.

The real issue is how do we, the people, preserve and protect our freedoms with all authorities? Shouldn't take our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor due to rogues or unconstitutional actions...
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And you personally know AF personnel from all jobs in the AF?
I have met some personnel from your profession that I wouldn't turn my back on, have known them from 1-26 yrs

It really does matter, not all law enforcement personal are honorable. And by your posts my opinion is, me thinks your shoveling it on a little thick and just a little full of your self. Now if I actually met you and we talked, my opinion might change just like yours might. But NO profession is totally honorable. Oh, and I did go through the schooling needed in my state to become a cop, (2yrs tech school, top 2 year school in state for law enforcement) and most of the other students in my class made me ashamed to be a police officer so I chose another career after 2yrs
Okay...so you washed out after two measley years...you don't even know how to BE a cop after two years. It takes that long to make a tiolerable rookie. You let someone else drive your choice, but don't play the blame game and put your choice off on others. It's okay...if you don't have what it takes to make it, don't try to fake it.

See...you just made my argument. As I said...what I typed was just as insulting to Air Force personel as the generalizations people make about all police officers. And YES...many professions are totally honorable...it is the INDIVIDUALS who dishonor and embarrass it. THAT is the point I have been trying to make, but thick headed knowitalls seem to miss that salient point.

My father served in the Air Force for 38 years. He flew in Korea and in Vietnam...so, no, I KNOW USAF are real military...I was drawing a comparison in the BS of the statement. But...apparently, some aren't alert enough to pick up on the not so freakin' subtle analogy.
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~snip~ The real issue is how do we, the people, preserve and protect our freedoms with all authorities? Shouldn't take our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor due to rogues or unconstitutional actions...
So what is your solution to what you feel is the "real issue"? This thread is based in a SHTF situation, of which you are free to choose the one of your choice.......how do you feel we should all act to resolve the solution?

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Police enforce the law, and then some. Too often. Imagine if this defensive AZL pulled YOU over, per the orders he followed to generate revenue for the state to pay his pension as well as "protect and serve" you. Then you find he was in the unstable mood he's in NOW just from YOU DAMN CIVILIANS recognizing that all officers are not always honorable. Uh oh!

Again, for AZL, cops are the flip-side of the same coin as criminals. At least the better ones tend to be. They actually fight crime with a penchant for doing the right thing. But sometimes they flip. AZL seems to have revealed he's the poster-child of the cops people fear and loath. Lotta yahoos get a gun and a badge. Except in AZL's blue-tinted universe -- "respect my authority" he hisses. At least cops like AZL apparently was, we don't really know, may be being replaced by red light cameras.

The real issue is how do we, the people, preserve and protect our freedoms with all authorities? Shouldn't take our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor due to rogues or unconstitutional actions...
Dude...all I can say is that you haven't a clue. Number one, I was never a traffic whore. I wrote fewer tickets than most of the guys in my division. My rule of thumb was "10 you're fine, 15 you're mine." Unless you were DUI or driving like a putz in a school zome, most likely people got a warning. Why? I had other **** to do.

We were NEVER given a directive to write more tickets, and even if some were (probably motor officers who none of us like anyway). Traffic fines are not revenue generators for a deaprtment...that is a fallacy. Think about it...when has ANY government bureaucracy run efficiently enough to actually "generate an excess of revenue"?

Unstable mood? That's an assertion out of left field, to which I would respond again...you haven't a freakin' clue. In fact...you're talking out of your ass, which I would say is probably your main method of communication.

You fall back on tired old BS...you make no logical arguments in support of ANYTHING you say, and rely on repeated fractures of ideas and soundbytes.

You still haven't honestly told us what YOU do when E-Six asked. What is YOUR area of expertise? Be honest. From what experience do YOU speak from?

You think maybe when you had your last interaction with an officer you acted like the douchebag you appear to be here, and he just wasn't digging your act? If we can then assume that that's the case...then why would he pat your bottom and give you ice cream? I would bet he followed the letter of the law, and was professional and YOU didn't like that...he pricked your self righteous BS veneer and like a naughty kid, you got a time out.

You will find that if you treat a cop with the bare minimum of respect...about like you'd treat the guy cleaning your pool (and I don't mean kissing ass...just being a human) you will find the officer is MUCH more likely to be cordial, and prone to saying something like..."Look, slow it down a bit, and have a good day" rather than "Press hard, five copies".

What you fail to do is take responsibility for your half of an interaction with an officer. When I go to Wal Mart...I call the lady ringing up my transaction "ma'am"...When I go to get gas, I call the person behind the counter "ma'am or sir". I was the same when I was still working. Why????? Because it is a lot easier to go through life NOT being a dick, and it makes your day a whole lot shorter.

Perfect example: I was working mids and a guy blew by me at about 0230 in an early 90's Porsche. He was going 85 in a 50. I lit him up and he pulled over immediately. After the license, registration, insurance conversation, I asked him why he was in such a hurry. He told me he had had his car in for service at Beaudry Porsche, and it had a bad shake at 79-83 MPH, and since it was late, no traffic, and a pretty well empty NON residential road, he wanted to see if the problem was fixed. He handed me a bill from Beaudry with the problem he had told me about written on the repair order. He was honest, he didn't give me any crap about having pulled him over or the tired old "Ain't you got nothin' better to do, or some real crime to solve" BS. So...I told him to slow it down and have a good night.

And guess what....it didn't mean dick that he was in a Porsche...it could have been a 1974 Vega...guy wasn't a dick...guy got a pass.

The point is...in the vast majority of police contact, it is NOT the officer who sets the tone for the interaction. It is YOU.
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