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Old 05-02-2012, 03:44 AM   #11
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Found a discussion going on that is interesting:

Dated from 2011

LTG Charles Jacoby..a name to remember

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=134075

Most Dangerous US Army General Readying OCT1st Takeover Ability

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=162413

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2012/03%20March/Jacoby%2003-13-12.pdf

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/pentagon-expand-officers-wmd-response-role/

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unless the area i live in becomes contaminated with some sort of bad stuff, i'm staying right here on my own land with my family. i have enough land i can grow some crops, raise some farm animals and hunt on if needed.

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All i'm going to say about this, is that there are alot of soldiers out there whose names are smeared by what we THINK we know. I'm not saying i doubt that there's something really shady going on with this guy, but i AM saying that i'm getting REALLY tired of the media and "patriots" smearing the names of those who fight for them. Sometimes it takes a man like this to get things done. The "people" as a whole will never understand war. That's why they dont fight them. We do.

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It is easy for people to discuss what they are going to do and how they are going to survive when SHTF. The reality of it is that 30% of all people in urban area will survive where they live if SHTF. The amount of resources in correlation to the amount of people will be unbelievable. The ability for most people to protect themselves and their families and protect their resources will be about 10% and loosing them and their lives will be 90% unless they have a big group and lots of arsenal to back them up. The truth is that maybe 3% of the population of the U.S. will survive if SHTF soon. Most people who talk about this do not know how to survive the catastrophes that will come. People who live in the country and who have a exit plan and a chosen place to go to will outlast everyone especially if they have family, friends, and a group with plenty of provisions and weapons with people who have experience and training to teach those who do not know how to survive. I am sorry this is so long. I just want to be part of a group that is ready and will be there when SHTF and where I can go and help protect everyone and whatever the group has stock piled. That is why I am interested in a group that undestands that without weapons a group will not be able to survive if SHTF.
Nighthawk, I'm curious where you got your figures, or how you developed them, for this post. Care to share?
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Opinions...much like the useful, yet stinky rectal opening are standard equipment on everyone. So, I am going to fart out a little wisdom of my own here.

I don't agree with the OP's assessment. Number one...where did the numbers come from to quantify or backup your statements? The truth is, I don't believe a prepared person's chances of survival can even be quantified.

Secondly...without specialized training for the entire "group", your ability to lead (assuming of course you posess the bility to do so) will be severely degraded because you will have a gaggle of amateurs who don't have the training and respect for chain of command to follow orders without bickering and argument and debate. Personally...I have neither the time or patience to try to imbibe new and critical skills into a gaggle of amateurs.

If you want to claim the mantle of "Leader", "Grand Poobah", "Head Of The Fraternal Order Of Water Buffalo" or whatever...where did YOU obtain your specialized skills that would qualify YOU as a leader and (GOD I HATE THIS WORD) "tactical specialist"?

On my own hook...I'd have a MUCH better chance of surviving long term without the encumberance of a gaggle of others looking to me to keep them alive, and I haven't the patience to argue with ANYONE when it comes to doing what I say when I say it. My debate would most probably end for someone with a round through the brain pan if their BS was degrading the chances for my family unit to make it through.

I don't want to have to teach anyone how to clear a building. I did it for more years than I can count when I was an officer. SWAT, gangs-narcotics, and felony apprehension squad....THAT qualifies ME to do those things. Eben my wife who is a currently serving officer doesn't have that training, but I would certainly trust her to have my back because she HAS cleared buildings, and done the job in the real world for nearly 10 years. She hasn't learned all she knows about (we are going to do away with "tactics") techniques from the latest issue of MALL COP, or TACTICAL SPECTATOR.

A group of un-trained yahoos will make too much noise to "operate" successfully. the bellyaching, bitching, and all around lack of discipline will make them nothing more than targets. Training is a LOT more than buying the new and shiny tacticool gadget from www.iwannabehispeedlowdrag.com. Training is a LOT more than shooting your bright shiny new M4 at the square range. Training, done right involves a lot of time, money, sweat, blood, and pain.

There are some former military who will claim tha mantle of leader. BUT...unless you were a marine 0311 or an Army 11B who actually had your ass in the grass and had at least made Squad Leader...you will be staring at SOMEONE hoping SOMEONE will give you an order and tell you what do do.

I grew up in the desert, and in the mountains here in Arizona, on a working horse ranch. I am very comfortable in those environments, and learned hunting, finding water, and making fire from my grandpa and great grandpa. I am the first to admit, I am NOT a combat veteran NCO who learned unit tactics in a forest or desert environment, but I KNOW those environments. What I DO know is unit operations in an urban environment, and have been on more dope house raids, and call outs than I care to remember. Yes, our goal WAS to secure the subject with no loss of life...but on more than one occaision it didn't work out that way. By the time I retired from SWAT, I had made entry team leader...so I know how hard it is to train men (women too) to be effective in that environment.

So, I would hypothesize that you have a much better chance of making it through with just your family if you have planned appropriately. Foster good relations with a VERY select few neighbors. Tell NO one else about your preps, and be ready to defend what you have until you are down to your last round.

But don't fall into an illusionary state thinking that you're going to be some kind of born again Rambo or Chuck Norris in the post apocalyptic world. If you are actually trying to LEARN something, and get real TRAINING...good for you, but be realistic. Your BEST chance will be staying in one place and defending that ONE place until you MUST move, and then your chances just dropped dramatically if you are a nomad. You will spend the vast majority of your time just trying not to get killed, let alone feeding yourself and your family.

If you happen to be a part of your "A Team"...how long is it going to be until the food runs short, and faced with individual survival, the team will fall apart, and someone will kill someone else for the last MRE or box of raisins?

There are a LOT of things that can go wrong with a single family SHTF scenario. Things can just flat go wrong. BUT...when you add a collection of egos, and testosterone filled tactical teddy wannabes...the chances for things to go wrong increases exponentially.

Personally...I give ME a lot better chance than US.

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I posted an article referencing a new Military Internment and Resettlement Operarions Manual.

Time to buy more guns, ammo and supplies!

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http://publicintelligence.net/restricted-u-s-army-internment-and-resettlement-operations-manual/

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BTW...I am NOT attacking or flaming the OP.

I am using "YOU" as a general, not a specific.

I am likewise not trying to be dickish...I am just trying to be a pragmatist, and put some things to truly think about.

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This mess all began before Obama was voted into office, it will become finalized if he is voted in for the second term. America has a revelation coming, and many will not survive. This revelation was a long time coming, but now all the policies and laws have been written, the only thing left is disarmament of the American citizens. Then freedom and liberty will be finished.

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I posted an article referencing a new Military Internment and Resettlement Operarions Manual.

Time to buy more guns, ammo and supplies!

Pulled from:

http://publicintelligence.net/

http://publicintelligence.net/restricted-u-s-army-internment-and-resettlement-operations-manual/

Video discussing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Aszid4Tlk&list=PL349A57E4BDCD7959&featur e=mh_lolz
Bigcountry, not sure how this fits into the OP thread topic?!?! You know this training information has been around for a long, long, time in one form or the other. It has been used by our government and military and is a necessary part of human and secure warfare results. You are of course free to read anything into whatever conspiracy theory you like (is that where you are going with this post?). Can this information and training be used against the American people.....of course, so can all the other military training!!!
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Bigvountry, not sure how this fits into the OP thread topic?!?! You know this training information has been around for a long, long, time in one form or the other. It has been used by our government and military and is a necessary part of human and secure warfare results. You are of course free to read anything into whatever conspiracy theory you like (is that where you are going with this post?). Can this information and training be used against the American people.....of course, so can all the other military training!!!
Truth. I also have the feeling that the vast majority of upper echelon military commanders would stage a coup rather than violate their oath to the Constitution by following illegal and imoral orders. (MacArthur not withstanding when he pulled his BS with the WWI vets).
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