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Nighthawk63 05-01-2012 12:50 AM

It is easy for people to discuss what they are going to do and how they are going to survive when SHTF. The reality of it is that 30% of all people in urban area will survive where they live if SHTF. The amount of resources in correlation to the amount of people will be unbelievable. The ability for most people to protect themselves and their families and protect their resources will be about 10% and loosing them and their lives will be 90% unless they have a big group and lots of arsenal to back them up. The truth is that maybe 3% of the population of the U.S. will survive if SHTF soon. Most people who talk about this do not know how to survive the catastrophes that will come. People who live in the country and who have a exit plan and a chosen place to go to will outlast everyone especially if they have family, friends, and a group with plenty of provisions and weapons with people who have experience and training to teach those who do not know how to survive. I am sorry this is so long. I just want to be part of a group that is ready and will be there when SHTF and where I can go and help protect everyone and whatever the group has stock piled. That is why I am interested in a group that undestands that without weapons a group will not be able to survive if SHTF.

Sniper03 05-01-2012 01:08 AM


You are absolutely correct. And anyone who thinks they could survive this themselves are in wonderland. It will require a military operation to survive. Requiring resources including access to food, supplies and other logistical needs. Including weapons ammunition, maintenance items, cleaning supplies, night vision, gas masks and other items. And a group who can work together as a military unit with 24-7 patrols and enough firepower to survive. I would suggest having someone on the team with LE or military combat experience. Also availability of a place for those to live out of the weather and elements when rotating duties. I do not think most have any conception of the situation should God forbid it occurs!
As a thought! Can you imagine life without toilet paper, water and easily acquired food resources!!!!!! We will survive because we can hunt the mountains of TN. and get water from the lakes.

bkt 05-01-2012 11:45 AM

You're right, NightHawk. I suspect most who live in major urban areas are not preppers, however, and have little food and water stored, and most have no legal means of protecting themselves. Because they're not preppers, they have no bug-out location and no exit strategy. Major urban areas are not self-sufficient and depend on the outside entirely for food, water purification, fuel, electricity, natural gas, etc.

SHTF scenarios tend to be localized and usually weather-related. That means the rest of the country comes to the aid of those in need. In the event of something systemic or overwhelming, those folks will be in trouble.

PanBaccha 05-01-2012 01:08 PM

Your concerns are my concerns. However what really bugs me with anxiety and red-hot anger is the possibility, a real, real possibility of marshall law imposed upon us.
The FEMA camps thrown into that visual as well. I don't want to sound like John Wayne or something. But after all I've been through in life, beginning at the anus of its reality,
and survived all that life has thrown at me, I will at the agile and athletic age of 65 go out with a blast. I will be no one's sheep to be sheared. Sorry about the outrage.

hiwall 05-01-2012 01:51 PM

If a major nation/worldwide SHTF situation does happen no one knows the out come. The one fact would be that a very large number would most likely die from lack of water and violent chaos. Those that promote larger armed camps could have the answer but only if there was no military response(like Martial law) as then the military would easily find them and round them up. There is no totally right answer we can all only do what we think is right for us (and that we have the ability to do).

Jim1611 05-01-2012 02:27 PM

I think I'd rather take my chances in some remote region of Alaska, if that were an option.

krisko09 05-01-2012 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Jim1611
I think I'd rather take my chances in some remote region of Alaska, if that were an option.

Agreed completely. An area where you can get an abundance of fresh water and where wildlife is bountiful, yet humans are few and far between. A group of preppers who have some common sense, combined with a little military experience, could go a long way in a SHTF situation.

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JTJ 05-01-2012 03:17 PM

There are those of us that are too old to bug out. I live in a small off the main road city that is heavy on retirees. We have a large snowbird population that starts arriving around October and leaves by May. A late September or early October episode would leave the stores heavily stocked for the influx that would not happen. Medically dependent seniors would not last long and the rest of us would be likely targets for desperate younger people mistakenly thinking we would be an easy mark. The majority of the "able bodied" seniors are armed and a lot are combat vets. The VFW, American Legion and Marine Corp League are very active here. We will not be getting re supplied and most people are aware of it. We have a river/lake so there is water and possibly fishing. Golf courses can be converted to farms. There is also some game and feral animals that would be harvested. We will lose a lot of people but our best chance is cooperation at a community level. The longer we can hold together, the better our chances but I have to look at things pragmatically. I would have a hard time turning away starving kids. We have lived our lives and the future belongs to the young not relics like us. We can only hope to help and give them a chance.

Mosin 05-01-2012 05:42 PM

If I were too old to big out, I would invest in sandbags and the high ground...

krisko09 05-01-2012 06:49 PM

I would invest in my children/grandchildren. If i'm too old too bug out, u best believe im covering my family's asses while they bug out. They can take everything, just leave me with enough food/water for 48 hrs and enough ammo to take down a platoon or 2

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