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Old 07-11-2009, 05:13 PM   #21
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In anti-gun states such as mine, the word "militia" is meaningless since if the S ever HTF it will be "everyone for himself". I can't see supporting a State Militia when the State is repressive. I might fight to get out of NY, but never FOR NY....

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In anti-gun states such as mine, the word "militia" is meaningless since if the S ever HTF it will be "everyone for himself". I can't see supporting a State Militia when the State is repressive. I might fight to get out of NY, but never FOR NY....
You can always move down my way I got 2 couches to sleep on until you can get a place of your own.
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You can always move down my way I got 2 couches to sleep on until you can get a place of your own.
LOL - thanks for the offer Opaww..someday I may take you up on that. Check out this article:

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As government tags passports, licenses, critics fear privacy is 'chipped' away
By TODD LEWAN
AP National Writer
03:38:32 PM (ET), Saturday, July 11, 2009


Climbing into his Volvo, outfitted with a Matrics antenna and a Motorola reader he'd bought on eBay for $190, Chris Paget cruised the streets of San Francisco with this objective: To read the identity cards of strangers, wirelessly, without ever leaving his car.

It took him 20 minutes to strike hacker's gold.

Zipping past Fisherman's Wharf, his scanner detected, then downloaded to his laptop, the unique serial numbers of two pedestrians' electronic U.S. passport cards embedded with radio frequency identification, or RFID, tags. Within an hour, he'd "skimmed" the identifiers of four more of the new, microchipped PASS cards from a distance of 20 feet.

Embedding identity documents _ passports, drivers licenses, and the like _ with RFID chips is a no-brainer to government officials. Increasingly, they are promoting it as a 21st century application of technology that will help speed border crossings, safeguard credentials against counterfeiters, and keep terrorists from sneaking into the country.

But Paget's February experiment demonstrated something privacy advocates had feared for years: That RFID, coupled with other technologies, could make people trackable without their knowledge or consent.

He filmed his drive-by heist, and soon his video went viral on the Web, intensifying a debate over a push by government, federal and state, to put tracking technologies in identity documents and over their potential to erode privacy.

Putting a traceable RFID in every pocket has the potential to make everybody a blip on someone's radar screen, critics say, and to redefine Orwellian government snooping for the digital age.

"Little Brother," some are already calling it _ even though elements of the global surveillance web they warn against exist only on drawing boards, neither available nor approved for use.

But with advances in tracking technologies coming at an ever-faster rate, critics say, it won't be long before governments could be able to identify and track anyone in real time, 24-7, from a cafe in Paris to the shores of California.

The key to getting such a system to work, these opponents say, is making sure everyone carries an RFID tag linked to a biometric data file.

On June 1, it became mandatory for Americans entering the United States by land or sea from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda and the Caribbean to present identity documents embedded with RFID tags, though conventional passports remain valid until they expire.

Among new options are the chipped "e-passport," and the new, electronic PASS card _ credit-card sized, with the bearer's digital photograph and a chip that can be scanned through a pocket, backpack or purse from 30 feet.

Alternatively, travelers can use "enhanced" driver's licenses embedded with RFID tags now being issued in some border states: Washington, Vermont, Michigan and New York. Texas and Arizona have entered into agreements with the federal government to offer chipped licenses, and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has recommended expansion to non-border states. Kansas and Florida officials have received DHS briefings on the licenses, agency records show.

The purpose of using RFID is not to identify people, says Mary Ellen Callahan, the chief privacy officer at Homeland Security, but rather "to verify that the identification document holds valid information about you."
This brings "identity theft" as well as invasion of privacy to a WHOLE new level!!!
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I have known about this for a while and was trying to think how to write up something about it but never got around to it. Thanks for posting this it is very informative.

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I have known about this for a while and was trying to think how to write up something about it but never got around to it. Thanks for posting this it is very informative.
I posted the whole article in the Club House because I have never known about this, and even more scary to me is that I live in NY, a border state, and my license was updated two years ago, no doubt with an implanted RFID chip. I was also mandated to get a Coast Guard/Homeland Security issued Terminal Worker's Identification Card because of my business. I am certain that it has an RFID and contains my SS #, picture, DOB, Place of Birth, and fingerprints!
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Anything can be added to the data base they want to put in it. Even if you own guns the type ect.

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Forgot to add that some hospitals are using the chip they inject into the upper arm of patients to help identify them. The chip is not removed when they leave the hospital. There was also a push to have these tracking devices put in all private owned weapons, but it failed so far.

They are thinking about lowjacking all private transportation and taxing you on miles you drive.

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Both of my dogs have ID chips implanted between their shoulder blades, and some Commercial trucks already have GPS tracking. I already pay road tax for my trucks based on miles driven/laden/unladen weight. But it's on an honor system. With the incredible debt this socialist prick has imposed on us, I suspect the govt. will be implementing anything and everything it can to generate revenue.

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Regarding the RFID; i have heard about this and have wondered if the same type of copper mesh screen used to limit other radio transmissions would have a similar impact on the RFID in passports/licenses if used in the construction of a wallet or portfolio. Any info? edit* found a paper on the interweb "
1.2 The Faraday Cage approach
A Faraday Cage is a container made of metal foil or mesh that is impenetrable
by certain radio frequencies. Examples of the idea are microwave
ovens that prevent microwaves from escaping into the environment or the
impossibility of using mobile phones in some elevators. A bigger kind application
are some national security buildings that are encapsulated by a huge
Faraday Cage to prevent wireless communication to be eavesdropped from
outside the building. When a lot of RFID tags are used on credit cards and other wallet contents,
it may be desired to have a foil lined wallet to prevent disclosure of your
wallet contents. RFID tags will be used in a vast range of objects that can’t be placed inside
a Faraday Cage container, such as clothing, wrist watches, sunglasses and
even human beings [8]." http://home.student.utwente.nl/g.r.kok/papers/RFIDJamming.pdf



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Forgot to add that some hospitals are using the chip they inject into the upper arm of patients to help identify them. The chip is not removed when they leave the hospital. There was also a push to have these tracking devices put in all private owned weapons, but it failed so far.
I've heard rumors of people getting chipped like dogs, but i haven't seen any published articles or anything beyond rumors. Got a link?
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I think of the National Guard as they're the states' militias. They're also the only federally recognized militias. Others generally have ties to unsavory groups like the Aryan Nation and the like.
Too many unsavory groups hide behind the "militia" label, and by doing so, have given it a connotation far removed from the Minutemen of the Revolution. Because of this, the National Guard has to out of its way to distance itself from the term "militia".

Bubbas running around in cammo through the woods makes me laugh. They're so much "wannabes" that they go to such extremes as appointing "generals" and other "officers". If TSHTF, I suspect they'll watch their own, and ONLY their own (hiding out in some forest, hoping the shiat passes them by); they will NOT provide for the "common defense" - taking a line at the city limits.

I expect just about every racial group to take such action; enclaves for their own, protected by their own, and working only for their own survival. I expect little cooperation until supplies become very scarce or non-existent. We might see more in-fighting among the various groups than any coordinated defense against a common enemy.

Now, do I believe we'll ever be confronted with having to fight the State or Federal government's armies? Not likely. I suspect the majority of officers and enlisted to either refuse to follow their orders or desert and join their own enclaves, noted above. It wouldn't take much to turn the state militias against any Federal force. As for an external enemy - the UN, the NWA, the so-called "black helicopters" (such tin-foil-hat nonsense) - I don't see that happening. Any situation that brings the US to the brink will bring the other countries to the same state of internal unrest, and they'll be dealing with their own security issues to mess with us.
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