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If you live off the grid and have well water , how do you get water when the POWER goes out ? Better yet , HOT WATER ?

By trade, I'm a HIGH END designer and builder of FINE furniture and cabinetry !
Fact is , I make organic decomposing material for a living ,(SAW-DUST,ETC.) !
My wife and I have run our own humble little business for over 25 years !

It has taken me almost two years to perfect my system , "LET THE POWER GO OUT ! A simple "compost-pile" will generate heat by decomposition and weight!
The bigger the pile , the more heat and energy potential.!

1-All pumps are rated by capacity , gals. per minute.! I have an old fashion hand pump (back-up), with a capacity of 4 gals. per minute , That don't seem like much ,
but it only takes me 14 minutes to fill my tub with enough 115 degree water!

2-Where does the heat come from? Two years ago , I had my neighbor with her small "BACO" dig me a hole 6x6x4deep! This year we dug it up and made it larger. Now , 12ft.x12ft.x 5ft.deep! Before putting fill back on , I took 150ft. roll of 3/4", "FLEX" pipe ,not rubber, made a "Coil" , two inches of sand one the bottom to aid in drainage . Placed fill back over coil and waited.
All fill was organic by nature so you need decomposition to produce heat.

3-day one , water went from 47 degrees to 56 ! Day two water up to 68 and so on. It holds right around 110-115 pretty much,but it took a lot of material!

4-You must be a "stickler" for details for this to function efficiently !
Insulate all things possible , pipes , compost pile is is covered by cheap "POLY-TARP" , keep it dry and it will produce faster !

Hope this helps..!

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I'm gonna try to "Guess-ta-mate" amount of material , (compost) !

Well lets see , 5ft. x 12 ft. x 12ft. + six feet or so above ground ? Hmmm..?

Not true to dimension above ground , more "Pyramidal" , Hmmm..?

Well , my best guess would be about 992 Cubic feet of compost ! I'm only guessing here cause of shape , I'll give it a true dimension of 8ft. height..?
5ft, deep + 6 ft. high above ground ,11 ft. , minus 3 ft. (SHAPE).?

Lot-a crap..! Cubic Yards , 33.66 + - ?

A little help with the MATH...?

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If you live off the grid and have well water , how do you get water when the POWER goes out ? Better yet , HOT WATER ?

By trade, I'm a HIGH END designer and builder of FINE furniture and cabinetry !
Fact is , I make organic decomposing material for a living ,(SAW-DUST,ETC.) !
My wife and I have run our own humble little business for over 25 years !

It has taken me almost two years to perfect my system , "LET THE POWER GO OUT ! A simple "compost-pile" will generate heat by decomposition and weight!
The bigger the pile , the more heat and energy potential.!

1-All pumps are rated by capacity , gals. per minute.! I have an old fashion hand pump (back-up), with a capacity of 4 gals. per minute , That don't seem like much ,
but it only takes me 14 minutes to fill my tub with enough 115 degree water!

2-Where does the heat come from? Two years ago , I had my neighbor with her small "BACO" dig me a hole 6x6x4deep! This year we dug it up and made it larger. Now , 12ft.x12ft.x 5ft.deep! Before putting fill back on , I took 150ft. roll of 3/4", "FLEX" pipe ,not rubber, made a "Coil" , two inches of sand one the bottom to aid in drainage . Placed fill back over coil and waited.
All fill was organic by nature so you need decomposition to produce heat.

3-day one , water went from 47 degrees to 56 ! Day two water up to 68 and so on. It holds right around 110-115 pretty much,but it took a lot of material!

4-You must be a "stickler" for details for this to function efficiently !
Insulate all things possible , pipes , compost pile is is covered by cheap "POLY-TARP" , keep it dry and it will produce faster !

Hope this helps..!
I have a propane gas water heater, my storage tank sits high enough above the house (highest point on the property) that it provides water (albeit at a lower pressure) when the power is out.

Ideally one day I will have a solar water heater with electric backup, powered by my solar PV system (I already have the solar PV on the roof- 12.5kw so far).
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I'm painfully working on "Energy Independence" , Wind , water and solar..!

I also have propane , 500 gal. tank , but it ain't cheap !

I have now 900 watts. air with $600 in wind gen-ies + $$$ converter ! Still workin on whole system..!

How you ask , I built them minus the actual generator ! Those I bought !
Built the entire wind turbine , blades , body , frame , mount etc...!

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I'm painfully working on "Energy Independence" , Wind , water and solar..!

I also have propane , 500 gal. tank , but it ain't cheap !
I would like to make cooking my only propane usage. Right now I have a propane furnace- which is fine because I use a pellet stove for primary heat (right now it is down though so I have to use the furnace) and the propane water heater. The solar water heater I want to get someday is out of Australia- called Solahart. http://www.solahart.com.au/solar-water-heating/how-does-it-work/thermosiphon.aspx

The have other systems available, but the thermosiphon has no moving parts (except maybe the heat exchange fluid). I have seen systems that have pumps and all but they are not reliable, and if you aren't careful they will freeze and start to leak.

My solar doesn't quite provide enough to cover all of our usage- we have two rentals in addition to our home on the one service, but one day I want to make a battery backup to supplement our grid-tied system. Maybe go completely off-grid when that happens.
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I have a DVD that would blow your shorts off..! I am good at many things ,but not PC savvy , worked too much to learn and up here , I got no kids..!

Tell me how and you are welcome to this data...!

I got to go Bro , skis are callin my name..! 8 days , I'll be back ...!

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I have a decently sized creek in my back yard and live about 1/16 of a mile from a river, I think I'm good on quantity

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I have a decently sized creek in my back yard and live about 1/16 of a mile from a river, I think I'm good on quantity
Hell , you've won half the battle..! Simple pump and purification and yur good to go !!
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when the power goes out i dont shower and if they shower went out for good i wuldnlt be worryin about showering as far as runin the well a generator this past summer a strong storm nocked the power out for a week it was hot hot hot i just bathed in the pond

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when the power goes out i dont shower and if they shower went out for good i wuldnlt be worryin about showering as far as runin the well a generator this past summer a strong storm nocked the power out for a week it was hot hot hot i just bathed in the pond
You "Barbarian"..!

Tell that to my locked and loaded wife ..!
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