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Mosin 05-01-2012 05:41 PM

Trespassing in a SHTF scenario
 
Okay, so S has HTF. You need supplies. You decide to explore some abandoned dwellings. Of course you're armed (well, presumably), so you look like a threat. Is there a way to convey to people that you're there peacefully? Do you arrive on the property with a white flag? Now you're ASSuming it's abandoned. But maybe the residents fostered that look to discourage looters. When you enter the house, do you call out your intentions? Offer assurance that you mean no harm and will leave if occupied? Or do you want to remain quiet and not call attention to yourself? Likewise, what about when others come to your property? Would you blast at anything rummaging through your kitchen, or would you announce your presence? I can see a lot of unneeded incidents because of this. Should us 'good folk' have a code or a signal for this?

mountainman13 05-01-2012 05:54 PM

My take on it you are entering the residence to take their supplies. You are either a threat or one more unwanted mouth to feed.
If they haven't made it clear that you are welcome you shouldn't be there.

You come to my property you had better be one of the Victoria secrets models or I'm gonna take your head off and scavenge what you have.

UrbanNinja 05-01-2012 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainman13
My take on it you are entering the residence to take their supplies. You are either a threat or one more unwanted mouth to feed.
If they haven't made it clear that you are welcome you shouldn't be there.

You come to my property you had better be one of the Victoria secrets models or I'm gonna take your head off and scavenge what you have.

You're forgetting one thing. "Misdirection".
What if this "Victoria secret model" is just using her looks to have you drop your guard.

I think it would be best to have her comply with a strip search and pat down before entering your property. :D

mountainman13 05-01-2012 06:00 PM

I thought that went without stating. ;) lol

Mosin 05-01-2012 06:45 PM

Yeah, but what if the person scavenging is a good guy. Someone you would want around. Say you needed some supplies and came to my place. Why would I just blast you away when you have the potential to be a good ally? What if you had goods I might want not on you? I'm just saying it might be a good idea to develop a report with people. You could be burning an important bridge.

mountainman13 05-01-2012 06:51 PM

You have a great point there. The thing is in this society most people would just as soon step on you as help you. In a shtf scenario where people are panicked and in survival mode its much more likely they will be a threat to you and yours. I will have a group of people that I trust and can rely on. Beyond them everyone is a threat in my opinion.

Even a white flag can be an offensive move.

AZL 05-01-2012 06:56 PM

If things have gone THAT badly where armed people are out scavenging...then you would have to assume that ANYONE "in your kitchen" is a threat.

You would also have to assume that an armed person (even if it was me) that you don't know is a threat, and must be treated accordingly. It MAY be Mother Theresa with an M4...but Momma T...if you're in my kitchen uninvited...you're a bullet catcher.

How did they get INTO your kitchen anyway? That is the bigger question, because there was a SERIOUS breakdown in your planning or security IF they got that far alive.

If they have reached that far into your perimeter....have they left someone on your "team" so-to-speak...dead in their wake?

Too many variables...and truthfully...post SHTF is NOT the time to try to learn to trust someone you don't know.

JMHO...but let's all save time, and assume I am right.

Mosin 05-01-2012 06:59 PM

See I'm thinking about myself for this example. I would be a great asset in this situation, but what if I went a mile down the road to my neighbors house and they shot me thinking I was a threat? Bad for me AND them, because I really could've helped if they just talked to me. So I'm thinking the same applies to others. What if you just up and shoot a guy looking for say, ammunition, and he ends up being a doctor, or someone with something you could've used, never know. City people are generally worthless and probably don't have much to offer, but out in the country, most people are going to have valuable skills and resources.

AZL 05-01-2012 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosin (Post 787469)
See I'm thinking about myself for this example. I would be a great asset in this situation, but what if I went a mile down the road to my neighbors house and they shot me thinking I was a threat? Bad for me AND them, because I really could've helped if they just talked to me. So I'm thinking the same applies to others. What if you just up and shoot a guy looking for say, ammunition, and he ends up being a doctor, or someone with something you could've used, never know. City people are generally worthless and probably don't have much to offer, but out in the country, most people are going to have valuable skills and resources.

In that particular situation...one might think again....planning was the beginning of the failure. You should foster a relationship BEFORE the SHHTF. I am not sure the whole "secret handshake" thing will be all that effective...nor will a flag...who'se to say some scumbag, assuming YOU have supplies won't be watching you and kill you, take your flag (you see where this is going).

Quite possibly...old fashioned CB's and handhelds between you and your neighbors (you can even broach the subject with...hey, in case of emergency rather than...IF THE ZOMBIES ATTACK)...use this to call me and vice versa.

As far as a "code word" decided upon via the idiotnet...well...lemme just say THAT will be about as secure as a hooker's snatch.

A nation-wide, or state-wide group of like minded prepper tactical teams (THAT just made me laugh), likewise isn't very likely.

If you want to foster good relationships...get off your ass, off the computer, and go meet people. I know all my neighbors. I know who I "believe" I can trust, I have identified the douchebags who will be....unwelcome...and dealt with if neccessary, I have even identified the old folks who will probably need help. If something does jump off, I won't be making new friends.

Tackleberry1 05-01-2012 09:15 PM

This is why any reasonable plan already involves others. My circle consists of Familly men that I've befriended and helped to train over the years. Being the only Vet makes me the default leader and I've chosen 2 additional families because 1 brings an RN 30 years of trauma experience and the other brings avid outdoor survival skills.

All have children within appropriate ages for future marriages and all "except the RN" are well armed, well supplied, and know how to shoot and follow instructions.

Survival, to me, is about ensuring your children go on. Thier safety will require the proverbial village. A large group with share values and beliefs will stand a much better chance of survival that an individual or a single Familly.

Oh...and if your not already in my group, your a threat whether you think your a good guy or not. Sorry but I've got too many females to protect and after food, women of breeding age will be the most sought after commodity.

Tack


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