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Old 05-16-2012, 03:36 PM   #11
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Cane, you are correct (except that there won't be alot of need for people with the skill to buy jelly-donuts, give out speeding tickets, or trying to turn lesbians at MY compound). I bailed after I learned that AZL is apparently a pirate (argh!), that there is no limit to the length of a ranting post, and that the system doesn't edit incomplete sentences.

I did sense the very odd misunderstanding and misplaced disdain for planning, preparing and practicing (on a preparedness forum no less) which is especially ironic from a 20-year-and-out cop, though not surprising -- it is more "us vs. them." Another byproduct of the public-sector unions with a GED who think they own civillians. Those whose doors an AZL will obviously be trying to kick down for one reason or another in desparate times.

Heads up AZL: civilians are seven times more likely to hit their target in a shooting incident. Bad ex and butch cops? You might wanna rethink this...
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Cane, you are correct (except that there won't be alot of need for people with the skill to buy jelly-donuts, give out speeding tickets, or trying to turn lesbians at MY compound). I bailed after I learned that AZL is apparently a pirate (argh!), that there is no limit to the length of a ranting post, and that the system doesn't edit incomplete sentences.

I did sense the very odd misunderstanding and misplaced disdain for planning, preparing and practicing (on a preparedness forum no less) which is especially ironic from a 20-year-and-out cop, though not surprising -- it is more "us vs. them." Another byproduct of the public-sector unions with a GED who think they own civillians. Those whose doors an AZL will obviously be trying to kick down for one reason or another in desparate times.

Heads up AZL: civilians are seven times more likely to hit their target in a shooting incident. Bad ex and butch cops? You might wanna rethink this...
Bah...they will find your rotting corpse huddled under your computer desk with a prolapsed rectum, and stretch marks around your mouth...but hey...at least you will have gone out doing something you enjoy.

The funny thing is...and I mean the real hoot...is you STILL wish you could have MY life. Your hatred of ME if fueled by YOUR jealousy of me. Nationwide CCW, nice pension, great benefits...what is it you do again?
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Hmm weapons specialist azl?
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...gee, AZL, I can't wait until the time when you tell us how you really feel.....

I think we are headed for some bad times, but then, we have been going down this bad road for quit some time already. Fortunately, this is the most resilient country on the planet. How much we can take before we implode is yet to be determined, but maybe we don't have as much time left as I would hope for.

Outside of those local or regional emergency events, I think a financial collapse could trigger some national emergencies we have never encountered before, far surpassing the challenges of our fathers and forefathers. Yes, I prepare, on a daily basis for the bad times....shouldn't we all? I also, the best within reason, prepare for the possible extremely bad times.

With that said, AZL, I think your rant pretty much pins the tail on the donkey! If it ever comes the time we have the need for paramilitary groups defending a compound, arm-chair commandos raiding the neighbors, and the total lack of law and order......it will be a country and world so far removed from the comforts we now enjoy, not even a Hollywood movie will do it justice. Course when those commandos run out of food and water and try drinking and eating those AR's, Glocks, and AK's.....it will not be long before that threat decays in the desert sun.

Those who speak so easily on the internet of waging war against other countryman, most likely are either idiots, physcos, and/or have never faced off in combat. Having 60 plus, so called commandos/warriors, pinned up in a compound with no inside or outside support personnel is a plan doomed before it even gets started.

Nothing wrong with training and preparing, but "training" is a broad term used by many to describe shooting at targets on a "1 way range", with complete disregard for the reality of fighting. When I hear statements similar to, "I'm completely confident, we can train, and defend our compound".......it's hard for me to keep a straight face! Battle is 1% about exchanging bullets and 99% about labor....that is hard work.......hey all you armchair commandos, have you trained for hard work lately??

I don't degrade anyone without combat experience, actually I envy them. But it often does appear that the loudest mouths about shooting the place up come from those armchair commandos who have indulged to much training time watching Tom Cruise and Steven Seagal, and claiming to be highly trained, when actually their fighting skills (...read, lack there of!....) come from watching endless hours of YouTube videos!

Nothing I have said should reflect any disrespect for our military veterans, as I hold them in high regard with the utmost respect. As well as our public servants, our local, county and state police, firefighters and emergency medical emt's and paramedics. On the other hand, if you are a "wannabe claiming to be"......I have the utmost disgust for you, and you know who you are!

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...gee, AZL, I can't wait until the time when you tell us how you really feel.....

I think we are headed for some bad times, but then, we have been going down this bad road for quit some time already. Fortunately, this is the most resilient country on the planet. How much we can take before we implode is yet to be determined, but maybe we don't have as much time left as I would hope for.

Outside of those local or regional emergency events, I think a financial collapse could trigger some national emergencies we have never encountered before, far surpassing the challenges of our fathers and forefathers. Yes, I prepare, on a daily basis for the bad times....shouldn't we all? I also, the best within reason, prepare for the possible extremely bad times.

With that said, AZL, I think your rant pretty much pins the tail on the donkey! If it ever comes the time we have the need for paramilitary groups defending a compound, arm-chair commandos raiding the neighbors, and the total lack of law and order......it will be a country and world so far removed from the comforts we now enjoy, not even a Hollywood movie will do it justice. Course when those commandos run out of food and water and try drinking and eating those AR's, Glocks, and AK's.....it will not be long before that threat decays in the desert sun.

Those who speak so easily on the internet of waging war against other countryman, most likely are either idiots, physcos, and/or have never faced off in combat. Having 60 plus, so called commandos/warriors, pinned up in a compound with no inside or outside support personnel is a plan doomed before it even gets started.

Nothing wrong with training and preparing, but "training" is a broad term used by many to describe shooting at targets on a "1 way range", with complete disregard for the reality of fighting. When I hear statements similar to, "I'm completely confident, we can train, and defend our compound".......it's hard for me to keep a straight face! Battle is 1% about exchanging bullets and 99% about labor....that is hard work.......hey all you armchair commandos, have you trained for hard work lately??

I don't degrade anyone without combat experience, actually I envy them. But it often does appear that the loudest mouths about shooting the place up come from those armchair commandos who have indulged to much training time watching Tom Cruise and Steven Seagal, and claiming to be highly trained, when actually their fighting skills (...read, lack there of!....) come from watching endless hours of YouTube videos!

Nothing I have said should reflect any disrespect for our military veterans, as I hold them in high regard with the utmost respect. As well as our public servants, our local, county and state police, firefighters and emergency medical emt's and paramedics. On the other hand, if you are a "wannabe claiming to be"......I have the utmost disgust for you, and you know who you are!

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I will never speak against preparing...that would be stupid. In fact I advocate it strongly. But as you say, the focus MUST be based in logic and common sense. Take the mormons for example...I don't agree with their religious beliefs...but they have a lock on the preps practices. Learn from them, and it won't be long before you can weather a very very long "dry spell".

If you focus on your family, or SMALL group of trusted fridns or neighbors, your chances of realistically making it through go up exponentially.

The fallacy of the large commando force is just that. I liken it to this: How much material support does a single infantry platoon require? Figure what 44 men in an average platoon? What is the number of people in supply, transportation, water treatment, etc...etc ...etc...required to support a platoon? Thinking of it in those terms gives you a whole new perspective on the post apocalyptic Rambo wet dreams.

I like your point about watching Seagall, cruise, and the plethora of youtube vids out there and calling yourself "trained".

Thanks Six.

I will see you in the mountains this summer. Take the boat to Big Lake, and go after the elusive trout.
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+1 on the mormons. They have great info for the shtf senario. They know a good water filter when they see it and suggest food stores for over 3 years I believe.
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~snip~ Take the mormons for example...I don't agree with their religious beliefs...but they have a lock on the preps practices. Learn from them, and it won't be long before you can weather a very very long "dry spell". ~snip~
I am surrounded by LDS and it is an advantage. They do "live" the prepared life and they will offer a helping hand, but they will not turn the cheek......they will stand their ground!

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~snip~ The fallacy of the large commando force is just that. I liken it to this: How much material support does a single infantry platoon require? Figure what 44 men in an average platoon? What is the number of people in supply, transportation, water treatment, etc...etc ...etc...required to support a platoon? Thinking of it in those terms gives you a whole new perspective on the post apocalyptic Rambo wet dreams. ~snip~
At the very least about 44 adults, and they need another 22 adults to care for them, and the 22 need another 11 to care for them.....etc, and this needs to be perpetual support......with constant recruitment and training in support skills and chores. There are some short cuts in providing support, but for a long haul, It is overwhelming for those focused on the best tactical sling for their new wam-bam AK, or hitting a stationary human sized silhouette target on the move!!

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~snip~ I will see you in the mountains this summer. Take the boat to Big Lake, and go after the elusive trout.
I guess I better start shopping for a fishing pole!! I look forward to it.

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AZL I am glad to see your elaboration in the later post and I agree with you. I believe prepping is a great use of money not entirely weapons and ammo but a stockpile of basic food like MREs to last a full family a month or more as well as defense for your family. The basic event you could cite is Katrina or the tornadoes in Alabama which were followed up by looting and food and water shortages. Basic shooting skills and defensive skills are never a bad thing to have as well.

Along the lines of paramilitary it is ridiculous to prep a "commando force" would only be plausible post invasion of the United States which is unlikely with the technology that exists today. I believe you've hit the nail on the head in these areas.
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Bah...they will find your rotting corpse huddled under your computer desk with a prolapsed rectum, and stretch marks around your mouth...but hey...at least you will have gone out doing something you enjoy.

The funny thing is...and I mean the real hoot...is you STILL wish you could have MY life. Your hatred of ME if fueled by YOUR jealousy of me. Nationwide CCW, nice pension, great benefits...what is it you do again?
Whatever blows wind up your skirt...

Wouln't care to retire only on what a rank-and-file Arizona Trooper, who gave good officers a bad name and had no future there, earned when he was actually pretending to work (no less on his public pension). And that's despite the "gratuities" and leaving the cow out in the pasture. Hey, not long till the calf is out plowing the field if she isn't already, I'd wager, coming from such good stock!

I guess some still don't fully comprehend your perspective though AZT, so, if I may... In brief it is: there are no real issues for anyone to worry about; even if there were they'll be short term and there's nothing we can do anyway; high, we're from the government and we're here to help or catch up to you eventually so you'd better think twice about not being a victim; resistance is futile.

I think that attitude is anithetical to the very core of preparedness if not just self-preservation and common sense which apparently isn't as common as AZT.

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I think this is a good thread and really would like to participate and enjoy other informative and valued posts.......but the personal insults are not warranted and getting a little boring. Maybe Hock, you could take the high road and back off some......Thanks

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