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Vikingdad, I remember when we had a swamp cooler for the car. You hung it on the window when crossing the desert and you carried one of those water bags hung on the outside of the car.

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Maybe I am the nut case I'm always made joke of , but consider NO REFRIGERATION..? Dehydrating , smoke and salt curing , pickling and canning.!

I know , I know , the pain , oh the pain , (HOT BEER) , Ack..!



Hmmmm..? Must a been a "Cro-magnon" in another life..?

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One set of my grandparents did not have ELECTRICITY until I was about 10 yrs old. They were able to raise 13 kids (yeah, that was not a typo) with no refrigeration. They DID have an icehouse, and would store ice in the winter- but it would not last until the following winter (sawdust makes GOOD insulation for blocks of ice)

COOLING will extend the safe usable life of foods- Milk, cream, butter were kept in the springhouse- at about 52 degrees. Not as good as a 37 degree fridge, but MUCH better than 80 degree air.

But for most foods- drying, salting, pickling, canning, sulfuring, smoking- or eat what is in season.

And yes- a lot of produce will store well in a root cellar- or even in a "hill" or "clutch"- for those that do not have root cellars. Shovel up a mound of dirt about a foot high, 5-8 ft across, lay down 6" of clean straw. Place well dried potatoes on straw, up to a foot thick, cover with more straw, and then a foot of dirt. Need potatoes? Dig in from side, reach in, take potatoes, reseal. Dry, no light and cool- ideal storage.

No refrigeration? Hmm- that means we have chicken tonight. And the remains go into the stew pot, and will simmer until time for Brunswick Stew tomorrow night.

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Instead, dry & smoke all meat (soak to rehydrate), slice & sun dry fruits, corn, mushrooms, etc. Store potatoes, onions, root veggies in a cool place.
DANGO, so far only thing that I can fault u for is not reading preceeding posts!

I omitted canning 'cause in SHTF situations you could not get new sealing lids/ rings and again risk poisioning or at least, food loss! KISS !!
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DANGO, so far only thing that I can fault u for is not reading preceeding posts!

I omitted canning 'cause in SHTF situations you could not get new sealing lids/ rings and again risk poisioning or at least, food loss! KISS !!
In survival situations in Europe during WW2, food has been canned and the container sealed with melted beeswax.,

Not a perfect solution, bit it works.
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DANGO, so far only thing that I can fault u for is not reading preceeding posts!

I omitted canning 'cause in SHTF situations you could not get new sealing lids/ rings and again risk poisioning or at least, food loss! KISS !!
As when I was a child and ole crazy Dad was not around , you do not need Lids at all..! parafin...<---spell checker is killing me , Eeeek..! Ok Mr. Spell checker ,
(Wax) and can be used over and over again .! Air tight seal and recyclable .!

Yeap , we used to can (Taradacticles)...! man , I'm getting old..! Eeek.!

Ps:the only reason I even know this is that my mother and her sister , my Aunt Kay , would can every year , fruits , veggies , meats , all kinds of things..! The bees wax would be preferred but is a little more money..!
In 2005 , we had a local effort to do "hiving" , bee tending , with the intent of honey and wax . We tried for 4 years and every year , the bears would tear it up . A chronic problem and could not stop them.!
6 of us Jim , Al , Carl , Rick , brother Ron and myself . We had been
Beaten 4 years in a row..! The only way to stop them was to kill them , we decided to quit and let the bears win and live .
Now some people have been successful at this. Not too far from here , but not here , lots of black bears .!
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As when I was a child and ole crazy Dad was not around , you do not need Lids at all..! parafin...<---spell checker is killing me , Eeeek..! Ok Mr. Spell checker ,
(Wax) and can be used over and over again .! Air tight seal and recyclable .!

Yeap , we used to can (Taradacticles)...! man , I'm getting old..! Eeek.!

Ps:the only reason I even know this is that my mother and her sister , my Aunt Kay , would can every year , fruits , veggies , meats , all kinds of things..! The bees wax would be preferred but is a little more money..!
In 2005 , we had a local effort to do "hiving" , bee tending , with the intent of honey and wax . We tried for 4 years and every year , the bears would tear it up . A chronic problem and could not stop them.!
6 of us Jim , Al , Carl , Rick , brother Ron and myself . We had been
Beaten 4 years in a row..! The only way to stop them was to kill them , we decided to quit and let the bears win and live .
Now some people have been successful at this. Not too far from here , but not here , lots of black bears .!
I have a friend up in norCal who has hives hives he keeps in a huge cage he made out of pipes and rollbar tubing attached to a shipping container. It keeps the bears out, but it took some investment of materials and effort.
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I changed the frig in my RV over to a standard 120 volt that I run with batteries and solar panels.

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I changed the frig in my RV over to a standard 120 volt that I run with batteries and solar panels.
Wait, you changed it from a standard RV fridge that runs on 12 volts DC, 120 volts AC or propane? Those are the best ones to have because they are so flexible. You can also run those off of solar without an inverter.
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Wait, you changed it from a standard RV fridge that runs on 12 volts DC, 120 volts AC or propane? Those are the best ones to have because they are so flexible. You can also run those off of solar without an inverter.
Yes. The one I removed was a three-way frig. If you have ever used a 3-way you would know that the 12 volt part is about worthless. And trying to run it on 120 volt thru an inverter is a very poor choice. Works fine with propane and 120 plugged to a regular electric line. I wanted a more self-sustaining option. The new 120 volt only frig works excellent and solar runs it very easy.
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