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Old 02-16-2012, 01:23 PM   #11
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How much is that oil worth to you? Would you rather have cheap oil and contaminated well water and orange, flammable rivers; or clean air and water, natural resources you can enjoy and pass on, with alternative energy sources?
At some point alternative enery will be the way. You like wind? Your envirimentalist friends put a stop to that.
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I think it's fair to say that demand (consumption) is meeting production worldwide, or it's getting too close for comfort.
Following normal growth curves, demand would be much higher... but thanks to production topping out, demand growth is being checked by higher costs. Free market economy at it's finest.

WRT reserves, we peaked out at finding the maximum amount of oil 4 decades ago. New oil field finds have been down to virtually nothing.

WRT to shale and/or sand oil, the financial cost recovery has only recently been viable as oil hangs around $100 a barrel. Anything less then that costs more money. The ecological impact is still being determined, but I can't imagine any possible way that we won't have future impacts from pumping all these dangerous chemicals into the ground. Plus we are taking water from the surface and sending it underground, all for the purpose of oil. there may come a time when we'll wish we still had that fresh water.
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How much is that oil worth to you? Would you rather have cheap oil and contaminated well water and orange, flammable rivers; or clean air and water, natural resources you can enjoy and pass on, with alternative energy sources?
You imply oil can't be obtained without damaging the environment seriously. You're wrong.

As for AE, I'm all for it. There is no alternative to oil right now. Ethanol isn't it. I'd be happy to use an alternative if one were available.
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Damacles, Why has Big Oil producing states like Alaska, Wyoming, Montana, Colorado Etc. have the best rivers? This are has been producing going back to the 1870s. States like New York Conn. etc have the most poisoned rivers. These are not oil states. Yes every time any thing happens in an oil field the Enviros scream Doom. Why not attack everyone who flushes a toliet?

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You imply oil can't be obtained without damaging the environment seriously. You're wrong.
Not implying anything. Shale oil require high temperature water and solvents to be pumped into the ground under pressure. There have been several identified issues with this seeping into the water table, so yea, it's an issue.
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Americans at one time knew risk were a part of life. This sprirt has been replaced by what ifs. Before social cowardice and government dependent groupies we were a powerful nation. If our forefathers were not risk takers we would be a small wellfare state on the east coast. Obama is protecting the railroad owned by his pal Warren Buffett. So no pipeline from Canada. We know a pipeline is safer than a railroad. The Greens take the bait and protect the socialist elite. The Greens repeat the socialist hate the rich and damn progress. Countries like China move ahead. They are planning a pipe line to the west coast of Canada and buy the oil we need. Americans fret over legal dope, Gay marriage, open borders endangered frogs and the nations of the world pass us by.

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First American oil well was drilled in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania remained the world's largest producer of oil for 40 years. I don't know if PA is still a producer today though.

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The Penn State is once more on the energy Frontier. Shallow Hole Methane Coal bed gas is emerging.

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The Penn State is once more on the energy Frontier. Shallow Hole Methane Coal bed gas is emerging.
Nice. And how are their rivers and streams? From what I know about the early oil wells in PA the stuff is leaking out of the Earth and we would do the Earth a big favor to tap it off and prevent it from spilling into the ocean.
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Oil is not harder to find. The cost of exploration and production has been pushed up by lawyers and Enviro groups. During the Clinton years "Stripper" were shut in on all public lands. This was a loss of 30% of U.S. production. Under Obama getting permits to drill has been impossible. We are shutting in Natural Gas wells and plants. We have miles of tar sands and shale. China, Germany, France and England are buying up American leases. China and Russia are drilling off the U.S. coast line. Our President will not allow Americans to use their own oil. Americans are afraid of risk period. They will shiver and freeze in the dark as other nations use our mineral wealth.
Sure, blame the environmentalists. I mean let's face it, all they want is to make sure that what remains of our natural world isn't completely raped by the capitalists. I'm always a little shocked to see this kind of attitude from someone who would fight for their second amendment rights. Where will we shoot? Where will we hunt, if the environment takes second place to profit.

Maybe you just don't care as long as it's someone else's back yard. More oil is not the answer and anyone with even the meanest intelligence level should be able to grasp that.
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