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Old 02-15-2012, 03:40 AM   #21
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25 rounds of 12 gauge weighs about 2.5 pounds
Remington 870 Express 18" weighs 7.25 pounds

100 rounds of 223 weighs about 2.7 pounds
Ruger Mini-14 weighs 7 pounds (no scope*)

200 rounds of 22LR weighs about 1.5 pounds
Ruger 10/22 sporter weighs 5.75 pounds (no scope*)

* scope adds over 1 pound

I think I'd still take the shotgun. More versatility for food. Try shooting a duck or goose out of the air with a rifle. Wouldn't really need more ammo, because you'd have to get to a resupply point at some point anyway. Shotgun will get you to point B.

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I've thought about this myself alot and I would have to go with a 22LR. Regardless of every thing I've read about knock down power and what not the bottom line is no one wants to get shot. First rule of a gun fight is to have a gun. The 22 you could carry thousands of rounds of ammo on you and be on the move.

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The 22 you could carry thousands of rounds of ammo on you and be on the move.
2000 rounds of 22LR would be 15 pounds in just ammo and over 20 pounds with the rifle included. If you're on the move permanently without supply caches, you'll need extra "other" type of gear to carry. That's a lot of weight.

Even 2000 bullets would eventually run out. You pretty much have to plan on resupply at some point. Save yourself 7.5 pounds by stashing a brick so you know you can come back to it later, rather than carry the extra brick on foot for a year.

In army basic training, I did a 15 mile road march with 60 pounds. That's really not very far and I was wiped out.
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2000 rounds of 22LR would be 15 pounds in just ammo and over 20 pounds with the rifle included. If you're on the move permanently without supply caches, you'll need extra "other" type of gear to carry. That's a lot of weight.

Even 2000 bullets would eventually run out. You pretty much have to plan on resupply at some point. Save yourself 7.5 pounds by stashing a brick so you know you can come back to it later, rather than carry the extra brick on foot for a year.

In army basic training, I did a 15 mile road march with 60 pounds. That's really not very far and I was wiped out.
I find it interesting that the services are so big on running/jogging. I understand cardiovascular health is essential. But, most of the time ur walking... With heavy crap on your back. Lol

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I think it was 60 pounds pack plus 8 pound weapon on top. I've never had to march with gear like that again since basic training.

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I find it interesting that the services are so big on running/jogging. I understand cardiovascular health is essential. But, most of the time ur walking... With heavy crap on your back. Lol

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Another vote for the 870. I am a dyed in the wool 1911 guy, but if I had to make the one gun choice it would be the 870 with the extended magazine that lives by my bed.

The chuk-thunk of that thing loading a round is a language understood in all cultures. I can think of no noise I would be more afraid of hearing in a dark room. It is also good for game from rabbits to mastodons.

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25 rounds of 12 gauge weighs about 2.5 pounds
Remington 870 Express 18" weighs 7.25 pounds

100 rounds of 223 weighs about 2.7 pounds
Ruger Mini-14 weighs 7 pounds (no scope*)

200 rounds of 22LR weighs about 1.5 pounds
Ruger 10/22 sporter weighs 5.75 pounds (no scope*)

* scope adds over 1 pound

I think I'd still take the shotgun. More versatility for food. Try shooting a duck or goose out of the air with a rifle. Wouldn't really need more ammo, because you'd have to get to a resupply point at some point anyway. Shotgun will get you to point B.
It would be tough hitting a duck or goose in the air but if it lands within 300 yards its going on the grill, and it will land at some point. I'm not knocking a 12ga. by any means, and that might be the way to go, I just remember as a kid going from a shotgun to a rifle. The biggest thing I remember about that is going from having to be within 30 or 40 yards to all of sudden if I could see it I could shoot it.
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In a survival situation the niceties of civilized society quickly wear off. It is true you wont be wasting ammo by wing shooting. You also wont be worrying if your gun or round are legal for hunting. If you are hungry and it is edible, you will kill it by any means necessary. Dont forget to put snare materials in your kit. Light weight and dont require ammo.

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In a survival situation the niceties of civilized society quickly wear off. It is true you wont be wasting ammo by wing shooting. You also wont be worrying if your gun or round are legal for hunting. If you are hungry and it is edible, you will kill it by any means necessary. Dont forget to put snare materials in your kit. Light weight and dont require ammo.
Somewhere along the way hunting became a sport? It took me years to figure that one out. As a kid I thought the point of hunting was to put meat on the table. I came home with half a flock of ducks the day I got my first .22 I didn't know you weren't suppose to do that until I was close to 20 years old. It took a long time before I could understand what was wrong with shooting them with a rifle (it wasn't sporting). Hunting for food rather than sport is definitely different.
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