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Old 05-12-2009, 11:24 PM   #11
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I carry some OC spray and a 6in kubaton. Most situations don't call for lethal force.

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If you're justified in using lethal force, you'd better use lethal force

Dead men don't talk and its better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6
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I've got a billy club next to my seat in the Jeep but it's really for knocking the BG away from my window while I draw my pistol and shoot him in the nuts and face.

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I've got a billy club next to my seat in the Jeep but it's really for knocking the BG away from my window while I draw my pistol and shoot him in the nuts and face.
Research has shown that center mass is the way to go....but, if you wanna blast his balls feel free....
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well since i cannot carry a pistol legally, a cool trick is a watergun filled with ammonia, non-lethal and better than nothing if you aren't carrying a knife or handgun. But if you're carrying a handgun, use it.

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well since i cannot carry a pistol legally, a cool trick is a watergun filled with ammonia, non-lethal and better than nothing if you aren't carrying a knife or handgun. But if you're carrying a handgun, use it.
um, dude, are you serious? What happens if the BG you shoot happens to be carrying a real gun, with real bullets?

The word 'run' comes to mind over carrying a water gun with ammonia...
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Hmmmmm, shoot him in tha balls, spray him with ammonia, then what, talk about his momma?

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um, dude, are you serious? What happens if the BG you shoot happens to be carrying a real gun, with real bullets?

The word 'run' comes to mind over carrying a water gun with ammonia...
I can't carry a gun, and I would be more inclined to try and fight or run, just throwing an idea out there. Running from a guy with his gun drawn or just giving him my wallet (wait until he finds out I'm broke) seems better. If I had a gun though, I would use lethal force if it was necessary
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well since i cannot carry a pistol legally, a cool trick is a watergun filled with ammonia, non-lethal and better than nothing if you aren't carrying a knife or handgun. But if you're carrying a handgun, use it.
I'm not gonna just go off half-cocked and outright call you an idiot, but considering your use of ammonia, here's an excerpt from the MSDS sheet on the stuff:

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Concentrated solution is extremely damaging to eyes. Even contact with dilute ammonia solution can lead to serious eye damage. Toxic if swallowed; harmful if inhaled and in contact with skin. Very destructive of mucous membranes. Corrosive - causes burns. Lachrymator. Typical TLV 25 ppm. Typical STEL 35 ppm. Typical PEL 50 ppm.

Therefore, you'd essentially be using a chemical weapon that could cause permanent damage. You could be well on your way to starting your own terrorist faction, here....
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You're defeating your whole purpose of using non-lethal when you use something that permanently damages someone. Why can't you pack a firearm?

Using ammonia is akin to throwing acid in someone's face. If I'm ever in that situation again, being directly threatened with deadly force means responding with deadly force. The BEST defense is recognizing the possible threat & avoiding it-SITUATIONAL AWARENESS is the best defense of all. Also think how hard it would be to defend yourself later legally when packing something ahead of time that will cause deliberate permanent damage like that instead of using non-lethal devices. In my book, lethal threat=lethal force-this is coming from a survivor (NOT winner) of justified deadly force.



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I can't carry a gun, and I would be more inclined to try and fight or run, just throwing an idea out there. Running from a guy with his gun drawn or just giving him my wallet (wait until he finds out I'm broke) seems better. If I had a gun though, I would use lethal force if it was necessary
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