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Old 07-11-2009, 08:28 PM   #1
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Interesting observation:

I'm out early this morning with my two gsp's doing some birdwork. The two young guys I'm with are marking the hidden bird launchers with their GPS. I normally just use plastic tape on a shrub near the launcher and remove when the bird is popped.

We went thru about 6 birds and were back at the truck. The talk turned to terrain, distance and navigation. I pulled out a topo map of the area and my old trusty GI compass. They pulled out their whiz-bang GPS with mapping.

I got to thinkin'; what if we had a massive solar flare that took out the satellites. No cell phones, no satellite communications at all, no texting, no GPS etc etc. These guys couldn't survive without their electronic gizmos, no less do long division.

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Old 07-11-2009, 08:31 PM   #2
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I could survive for a limited amount of time. I know my area pretty well within 20 miles each way, maybe even 40-50 miles south of me.

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Interesting observation:

I got to thinkin'; what if we had a massive solar flare that took out the satellites. No cell phones, no satellite communications at all, no texting, no GPS etc etc. These guys couldn't survive without their electronic gizmos, no less do long division.

Could you survive? I know I can
I'm sure "these guys" can learn to use a compass and topo map if the need were to arise. But why not use the gizmos if they're available? They're fun to use, and can store data from multiple trips. How many routes can you store on your paper map without them becoming illegible? 10, 20? The GPS might store 100.

The Amish seem to have little problem living the "simple life". Would you like to spend a week or two with them? How about a month, or a year? I suspect the Amish might consider you to be as helpless without all of your low-tech gear (car, electricity, landlines, etc.) as you consider those two without the hi-tech gear.
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i hate gps. in the states it takes the hardest route and gets itself lost (unless its just the model i bought) and in country (im currently serving in afghanistan) it drove me off a cliff twice. when ever i marching around out here i always take a map and compass. nothing beats good old fashion land nav with a map. gps will only get you so far. it relies on satalites which i saw one post saying those could be taken out... so true, and they need power. what happens when you get lost and lose power when your trying to get back? i doubt most people bring extra batterys.

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i hate gps. in the states it takes the hardest route and gets itself lost (unless its just the model i bought) and in country (im currently serving in afghanistan) it drove me off a cliff twice. when ever i marching around out here i always take a map and compass. nothing beats good old fashion land nav with a map. gps will only get you so far. it relies on satalites which i saw one post saying those could be taken out... so true, and they need power. what happens when you get lost and lose power when your trying to get back? i doubt most people bring extra batterys.
I spent my fair share of time outside the wire in Afghanistan and one thing I ALWAYS brought with me was 4 extra AA batteries for my PEC-14, NODs, and M-68. Maybe you're so loaded down with extra gear that those 4 extra batteries would break your spirits, but I always carried them in the pocket by my boots.

Oh and as for the giving directions thing, my GPS (Garmin eTrex Legend) has never lead me astray.
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Give me a topo map, compass and altimeter and I can pinpoint my location anywhere on the face of the earth.

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I don't need a bunch of fancy electronic gear or maps......

Just "Google Earth!"

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Knowing land navigation is something everyone should learn, but buying USGS maps of every area you travel through would be more expensive than buying a cheap GPS....and extra batteries.

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Last fall when I was flying as a pilot for the first time in several years I was having a discussion about navigation with my instructor pilot. He was saying the new 172's are great because they have moving map GPS and when flying you always need a backup and demonstrates how to use the alternate GPS antenna. It's at this point that I mention this is the first plane I have ever flown that has GPS, this shocked him he said he has never flown a plane without GPS. I asked what would you do if GPS were turned off or worse, intentionally offset to confuse people. He knows how to use VOR and other navigation types but only because he is an instructor pilot, most students today rely soley on GPS which is kind of scary to me. It's a single point of failure and you should learn alternative ways. I can use VOR's or everyone's favorite IFR (I fly roads/rivers) so I think I would be ok.

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