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Old 10-26-2010, 11:21 PM   #11
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Hello all, Responce to CS, RON L here - SERE SURPLUS


While I agree with your statements about having a plan and being ready, as far as the "Getting Involved with Local and other Gov", that aNO Go for me! I has a part of the gov for way too long, I see no reversing the crap they are heading us into and I feel anyrepair is far too late inthe game and a waste of time, only my opinion of course, but your free to do what ya like? Even passengers onthe Titanic knew it was time to jump in the water?

A Good sound Bug out and bug in plan is a lot like insurance, you know ya need it but hope it never gets used? pays to prepare and be ready, if it all never happens and all is fine, all the better!



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While I agree with your statements about having a plan and being ready, as far as the "Getting Involved with Local and other Gov", that aNO Go for me! I has a part of the gov for way too long, I see no reversing the crap they are heading us into and I feel anyrepair is far too late inthe game and a waste of time, only my opinion of course, but your free to do what ya like? Even passengers onthe Titanic knew it was time to jump in the water?

A Good sound Bug out and bug in plan is a lot like insurance, you know ya need it but hope it never gets used? pays to prepare and be ready, if it all never happens and all is fine, all the better!



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I wouldn't go so far as to say beyond repair. Our constitution is structured and designed so that we can change it to suite the needs of a free democracy as times change. Technically we are still a democracy but we lost the free part long ago.

The problem is that our elected officials are just cogs in the money machine. Until we make changes that keep corporate interests from buying seats in congress nothing will change. But who can make the changes? The corporate puppets that are already there. It's quite a problem.


There are a lot of Youtube videos concerning the movement in Texas to secede. One thing I keep seeing is "Does Texas actually think the US Government will actually let them" and "The Civil War settled that question".

Two things.

1. The right to govern ourselves as we see fit is THE founding premise of America. Those that try to deny us that right are tyrants and dictators.

2. The Civil War was wrong, based upon that very premise. If the Southern states wanted to separate they should have been allowed to rather than forced to stay at gunpoint. The reasons for the Souths wanting to leave is not the issue. Of course slavery is wrong but telling people that the Civil War settled the issue of states rights is like saying that the O.J. Simpson trial proved he was innocent. All that trial proved is that inept police work and highly skilled lawyers can lend reasonable doubt. Which is the only reason OJ walked imo.
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Hello all, RON L here - SERE SURPLUS

CW, While you make some great points, I really don't agree! At one time this country had people that understood the Constitution and cared about what it was and what it held! Now, I fear these days we only have Joe 'SIX-PACK". simply only woried about his own hide and own needs and really could care less about our rights or Constitution! The Political machine is one made up of Broken gears and sprockets that no one wants to fix!

We now live in a country that allows Leftists and Socalists complete reighn in the White House, as well as the House and Senate! Worse yet, no one see's any issue with that???? We have a 3 Party System that the Right and the left as I see it are no better than each other,so of course folks see no problem in electing bums! We Live in a Country that Honor, Integrety and Faithfullness have become cheap Punch lines, vice our core values! We are on a parallel course to that of rome, Huge, Bloated and Pompus, we elect pooly picks Senators and Congressman, who flaunt the very duties they have and we Keep re-electing them! It took the election of a man to the White House that was and is a leftist radical, with a complete Hatred of this Country Core values, to make folks see how far we have fallen? Only now, do we see folks willing to try and stem the tide of Crap from DC and as the Boy with his finger inthe Dike, whgile the entire wall cracks and collapses I fear it's too late! Sorry for all the Gloom and doom, but thats how I see it and I'm not alone! It's time to make Plans to Fend for your own, as we no longer have a Country willing to do it! We have a pack of Jackalls that care only about the power they Gain and the ability to Step on the Constitution and Bill of rights any chance they have! They see the "Constitution" as a Documejnt to bend to thier own will and desires not the will of the people! Sesession is a Noble Goal, but to many states not a reality! That folks are considering that which brought us the First "CIVIL WAR" should have folks taking notice but alas, No! Tell me I'm wrong and Point out how, as I sure Don't see it? Show me who is willing to do it right and how the "Framers" wanted it? Looks to me like all we need to do now is Just await the Fall, as no one seems willing to hault it?


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Howdy y'all. Well here's the way I see it! Texas wants to go back to the old days when self government meant just that. If the central govt in washington isn't responsible then we just want to run thi9ngs the old way. The Civil War didn't solve ANYTHING! The federals made slavery the issue so they could build an army to remove the rebels. The south looked upon the Northerners as trespassers. The south just wanted to "be free from opression" from a too big govt. My family fought at Vicksburg, shiloh, WW1, Iwo Jima to make America free. Look at us now. When SHTF I plan to fight a war of attrition and stay-put, and hopefully ALIVE! It will be a little like shooting crows. A few bodies laying around does wonders for Home Team morale. I hope things don't ever get that bad! The good old U.S. of A has been thru alot in 234 years. I think the govt is beyond repair. I doesn't do any good to vote anymore. We all know what happens next. Get back to the old ways. Big businesss & Big Govt have more to lose than little ole me does!

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Hello all, RON L here - sere SURPLUS, Responce to DiabloMan

I enjoyed your post, I am offically a Yankee, But that said, I never saw the Civil war as anything but the North trying to Usurp the authority of the South to buy it's own goods and live under it's own state and local laws! The Fed, was a bad idea and Lincon who might have done it for all the right reasons lead us down the path to what we have today! I wish I could see some hope for the "UNION", but as you said, I see little hope for it, Hope that I am wrong and we can all laugh about it, but I doubt it? Yea, 230 some years and we have let it sag to the poor example of what it is today? It's not a Democrat or Rep Thing, it's an AMERICAN thing!!!! When one party is no better than the other and BOTH are just crapping on our rights and the Constitution, it's not far from the time when the gloves are off? I will try and Live peacefully and on my own, but I don't see being allowed to! Uncle sam did teach me a thing or two and if we are ever threatened from "WITHIN" I will be sure glad to give that learning back in spades! I have a few yewars on me, I would rather die on my feet then serve from my knee's? If the days ahead work out better all the best, but as yourself, I don't see it? I see some attempt to remove those that do us the Most harm by elections, but in the end, looks to be far too little far too late? God Bless our Union and I hope that Sates will be allowed to Govern as best they can, as the FED is NOT the ANWSER!

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Hello guys,

Interesting thread. In So Cal the bug-out options are somewhat limited, and I've seen the slightest thing turn all our escape routes to parking lots. So, I'll just have to stick to my little house or up in the local hills.

On the political side, I kind of agree with Ron and Diablo. I think things are truly unbelievable politically, almost beyond hope, but i will never give up. I believe that the silent majority is forming again just for the purpose of stamping out the terrible current political situation. they laughed at the Tea Party political movement toward restoring our constitutional heritage of living free before God in a land ruled by the People and for the People. Unfortunately we now live for the power of politicians and socialistic special interests.

I think we will have reform, and when we get the chance we have to really clean house this time. Reinstate the Pledge of allegence. Teach our children about how we became free, the cost of freedom, and the importance of freedom. Recite the blessings that God gives those who serve Him with all their heart, and treat their neighbors as themselves. Fire all the communists in all of the schools - at once! They may be welcome to live here, but they can't plant that garbage in the garden of our childrens minds any longer.

No will of a man or group of men will prevail over us if we restore our heritage.

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Good post man, thanks for that! Indeed, as I was 2 times stationed in California, I understand your comments abut bug out, it was much the same way when i was in Wash state the highway was the only way out for the mosat part and a simple traffic item, tied that up for hours? I'd recomend looking to find secondary roads out of town, as well as alternative means to do so? Cars and larger vehicles will simply not do? A ATV, a Motor bike or simply a Mountain bike/With racks or something simular? Pays to look into all of that, think out side of the box, so if it happens yu have means to get out, if you must?

As far as the Political system, I do see reasons to hope, but thats fainter each time we have elections? The cantidates seem to get worse and worse? I tire of being forced to Pick the Best of the worst? Between the Tea party movement and folks simple disatisfaction with Big Government and Poor options from the existing folks in office, I agree, we will see many forced out! Let just hope reguardless of party that those that do get in remember what country they live in, how it was founded and on what principles? I don't foresee any return to a God Fearing country, thats lost to us! I don't even see the Socalists being reigned in, I simply see them going back into the shadows as they have done each time thier agenda was revealed?This will be a long haul reform if we do it, if the folks voted in reguardless of party affiliation resort to the same 'Don't givve a dam" attitude those in have nw, they will need to be removed or voted out again! If that sort of pressure is exerted by all our fellow americans, then change will contiune, I just don't see that level of comittment from the "Average Joe"? Till thing get bad and efect his 'Bottom line" as so many items now do, like Health care reform, cap and Trade and so many other Socalist plans, he never seems to notice? As I said, I hope I'm wrong, and being over sensitive to the issue, but fear I'm dead on?

Preperation for preservation of self and Family should be common sense and the desire to take care of self and not need Big brother to do so, should be obvious? Sadly, it's not! Many voted for the present administration I fear see "What they could get"? The "Hand out" mantality is alive and well! I'm all for helping those that need it and a country is judged by it's charity and treatment of those in need! However, when some folks not in need, overwelm those that work and support the system, thats shades of the fall of rome I mentioned earlier? Both Parties cater to big lobist groups and as well to Wrongfull Immegration advocates! Till that changes we will remain in peril!

Really it's simple, Take care of you and yours, Food, Water and Shelter, of couse the need to Bug out or in, Plans for trvel if need be! Don't be like so many that buy the supplies they know they need, only to try and return them later or sell off On E-bay or other auction sites once the short term emergency has passed? LOL It takes time and preperation, seeing what your threats are, what ya need, what ya have, what ya can affoard/ no one said it would be simple? Relying on "UNCLE SAM" has proven to be a disaster(Ask most folks displaced during Katrinia, or other large sacle Weather problems)! Know who you can trust, and work with them, it need not be a Militia, but close friends that you knw and trust and have a Bond with! Family yes, if they can be counted on, but only those that you trust! Hard decisions yes and no one said it's easy! Cut back on thigs that ya really don't need and get those that ya do (Like Food, water and Shelter needs)! We all can cut back on the luxeries to have the necessary items! Folks with 3 $ wheelers inthe garage but not a simple camp set up like tent, stove and lanterns are blowing it! Having huge #'s of Firearms and ammunition but not a week of food extra? Madness indeed! Have what ya need, but have what ay really need more? Learn well rounded preperations will leave ya well off and safer! Folks that lost thier jobs or were laid off and had to take temp work or unemployment payments have lived on the bulk of those preps and learned that it was good to have it when they needed it? Emergencies take all sorts of forms and not all are "End of the World" scenario's? Life's hard, no one Promised you a rose garden, but with some simple common sence planning and preperation, you can feel safer and be ready!


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That's good advice.

I always think water food and shelter, although my wife thinks I'm crazy.

Still, when the earthquake hit last Easter, and I had a housefull of guests, it was nice to be able to tell her we had everything we need when she panicked and asked if we needed to go get water or anything else from the store. If my house stands after the emergency, I'm ok. If not ... well then I mark it up to God's will and head to my friends in hopes his is still standing.


Some friends and I are toying with the idea of starting a gun shop together, but only as owners/managers, leaving the day to day ops to some friends. We figure its a nice hedge investment as long as we still have regular jobs. is this a bad business idea? (sort of mixing hobby and business).

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Indeed, I was encouraged to see that your embracing the Food, Water and Shelter Priorities? So many Ignore them, but have a Boat, 2-3 4 wheelers in the garage or yard? It's the stuff ya gotta have, then the toys after? As I see it? I like my Toys as well, but as ya said, with simple Food, water and Shelter, you were able to take care of Guest in an emergency and thats what I see a family needs to have to take care of themself? Katrinia as wella s Hugo and andrew showed so many people how hard life can get even if you have made Preps? They saw a lot of those preps washed away? Others simply had none and it was a nighmere for them? yup, one needs to know when ya should stay and when ya should go? Bug in.Bug out? Both have thier foothold in reality and both should be considered?

As far as the Gunshop goes, Hm,, I really don't know??? The Capital and investments needs are substantial? if your finicialy able, cool, it's a fun thing and you can make some $! As well, make some great contacts but business is hard and the ATF sets rules and Guidelines in my opinion looking to discorage all but the rich from having a shop? They make you comply with Alam and Bar ordinances and more , mostly as a way to discourage someone with out tons of $ from selling guns? I'd say, Open a webite sell axcessories and ammo and see how that goes/ if it takes off, then looki to get a Location, but looking into the TF and Local requirements for Security, as well as what the city and state want you to have to be able to operate? Thats my adice as best I can tell ya? Good luck and let us know what ya end up doing, OK?


Thanks on a great responce to the post and submitting your idea's and plans!

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This is a great topic and there are no solid one size fits all answers. Bugging in is great for some and a disater for others. When you bug in, remember.... the house with a generator has lights and noise and both attract zombies. The main issue is the area that your house is in. I tell you now.... if you live in or near a city or suburb..... you really should tray and set up a bug out location. I got so frustrated with not having a place to go, that a few months ago, we borrowed from my 401K and bought 12 acres way up in the mountains along the boarder or virginia and West Virginia. I can not tell you how great it feels to have this place and we go up every weekend to stokpile food, ammo, supplies, etc. Now... before you talk yourself into believing that you cant afford this kind of thing.... we got a two bedroom, living room, full kitchen, fireplace cabin, a well, a creek, and 12 acres of very secluded and easily deffended propert for $90,00! That breaks down to $500.00 a month! so... think about pooling your money with family and looking for property on the internet. This is the time to buy! if you can't do this... hold a family meeting. Perhaps there is an Uncle or brother in law in the family who owns a spot of land that would do as a rally point. No matter what... develope a plan and prepare. There is a storm brewing and its gonna be a bitter one. Good luck!

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