[ssmith3351]

Perhaps some members of these "militias" might have the ability to defend themselves and their respective communities, but I really think a college ROTC unit would have little difficulty in dispatching and disbanding these people.

Having said that I would never join a militia...I'll do a solo thing thank you!

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all, RESPONCE TO SSMITH3351

Well, you have a right to your opinion and as I was in the Military for 24 yrears as well as a MILITIA member, I have to Call Bull**** on your statement of an ROTC Group doing anything but running off to mommy and Sucking thier thumb! I have to ask and I do this with UPMOST OF RESPECT, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT WITH ANY "REAL" MILITIA MEMBERS, or are ya just Quoting Katie Couric and the CBS EVENING NEWS? That's the sort of thing they would say? A MILITIA is what helped support GEORGE WASHINGTON till it was formed into a FORMAL army (US ARMY) , I guess they were all couch Potatoes as well HUN? How about the rest of the founding father, were they just some Rednecks playing in the woods too? I find statements like your usually by those that have NO Clue, never been a part, Don't Know a lot about it! BUT, I'm bound to be wrong sometime? Fill us in on the Chapter and verse of your "MILITIA EXPERIENCE", State names and Places and time frame so your claims can be verified or discounted? If you can do that then maybe your statement might have merit, till then, you don't sound too well informed?

RON

[ssmith3351]

Originally Posted by RONSERESURPLUS

Hello all, RESPONCE TO SSMITH3351

Well, you have a right to your opinion and as I was in the Military for 24 yrears as well as a MILITIA member, I have to Call Bull**** on your statement of an ROTC Group doing anything but running off to mommy and Sucking thier thumb! I have to ask and I do this with UPMOST OF RESPECT, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONTACT WITH ANY "REAL" MILITIA MEMBERS, or are ya just Quoting Katie Couric and the CBS EVENING NEWS? That's the sort of thing they would say? A MILITIA is what helped support GEORGE WASHINGTON till it was formed into a FORMAL army (US ARMY) , I guess they were all couch Potatoes as well HUN? How about the rest of the founding father, were they just some Rednecks playing in the woods too? I find statements like your usually by those that have NO Clue, never been a part, Don't Know a lot about it! BUT, I'm bound to be wrong sometime? Fill us in on the Chapter and verse of your "MILITIA EXPERIENCE", State names and Places and time frame so your claims can be verified or discounted? If you can do that then maybe your statement might have merit, till then, you don't sound too well informed?

RON

Thank you for recognizing my right to an opinion and I recognize the same.

I'm not quoting anyone intentionally, and I agree with your comment about George Washington. However, we live in a nation with an organized army. I view militias as nothing more than a group of people with nothing better to do than take up arms in their view of how not to run a country. If you're not part of the solution you're part of a problem. If you don't like what our ELECTED leaders are doing, vote. Vote them out of office for someone who will do a better job. I don't believe that taking up arms against the government is warranted or justified in this day and age.

I may not agree with your opinion, but I'll defend your right and mine to voice it!

~S

[more forty fives]

Hi Ron sorry if I upset ya.But I just don't see how someone could trust a group of people that you really can't know that well.I have 5 close friends that I know if I was in a tight spot I could turn my back on them and when I turned back around they would still be there.I just can't see trusting my life to a group of people that I really can't know that well.Whats to keep them there? Just the way I feel man.That's all I'm done.

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all, RON L here responce to Ssmith and More fourty fives


More fourty Fives, No, your responce did not upset me, I did nsee that I needed to Tell you that you were wrong and need to meet some Militia folks and see for yourself! Till then, your not sure?

Ssmith, Yes, you have a right to your opinion, No MATTER HOW WRONG IT IS! LOL What was valid in 1776 and what is Valid now, has not Changed! Only the American People have changed? We have lost a Lot of who and what we are and The Militia Movement got a Lot of bad Press, did not represent what is REAL, but a Bad attitude about the Movement and the Hollywood spin on it! Sorry that you fell for it and as I have recommended to more Fourty Fives, perhaps you should meet some Militia folks and make up your mind, till them, your not making a Valid Point in my opinion! I know zero about pool tables and I've no been heard bad mouthing one or another! You should take that to heart! No one can stay up 24/7 and sooner or later in a bad situation you will need someone to Align with, better to be informed now, don't ya think? I've speant 24 years in the Military and I know what's out there and in Uniform, the Militia folks tha I know and have worked for were as good as many I served with and many were Retired Militray or some form of Leo or retired from that!

No, as AMERICANS we have the Right and the Duty to Rise up against a Govenment out of control and thats part of what a Militia is designed to do, plus the back up ya might need, the neighbors that you know and trust, sounds like your actuall experience with Militias is limited enought that you should explore a little! That or stay ignorant of the real facts as so many are?

RON

[glenthoughts]

Originally Posted by ssmith3351

Thank you for recognizing my right to an opinion and I recognize the same. I don't believe that taking up arms against the government is warranted or justified in this day and age.

I may not agree with your opinion, but I'll defend your right and mine to voice it!

~S

This is a bit scary to me. In "this day and age" ? When our government takes away your right to say what you want and defend your family via the 2nd amendment it is time to throw them out at gun point. Period.

No matter what the day and age, or we have no rights or freedom.

Our government SHOULD fear the people, when they don't we become IT'S servants, and it is no long our servants, as it is supposed to be.

We have scary times ahead and my gun leaves me when I am dead.

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all, Ron L here, RESPONCE TO GLEN THOUGHTS!


Man, You had me sitting here in TOTAL AGREEMENT! With an Administration like we have had since the Clintoon years, that one might need support from folks he coud trust, as well as a watchfull eye on a GOV that is TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL and OUT OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, the Militia movement is needed more than ever! That we Don't and can't vote out the Bad seed, as they are ALL BAD SEED is Obvious! I wish it were not so but it is! Anyhow, no one can watch their back 24/7 and it pays to work with Folks ya trust, weather you call them a Militia the Boy scouts or Girls gone camping?? LOL!!! I see anyone that fails to make some agreement with neighbors or co workers as setting themselves up for a fall and I wish them well? As it was in the beginning, it is still and now, Not a Lot has changed! Once in a while the Tree of Liberty has to be refreshed by the Blood of tyrants and Patriots both? Let us never think we are too safe, and that we have nothing to worry about!


RON

[Mauser_man]

Originally Posted by RONSERESURPLUS

Hello all, Ron L here, RESPONCE TO GLEN THOUGHTS!


Man, You had me sitting here in TOTAL AGREEMENT! With an Administration like we have had since the Clintoon years, that one might need support from folks he coud trust, as well as a watchfull eye on a GOV that is TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL and OUT OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, the Militia movement is needed more than ever! That we Don't and can't vote out the Bad seed, as they are ALL BAD SEED is Obvious! I wish it were not so but it is! Anyhow, no one can watch their back 24/7 and it pays to work with Folks ya trust, weather you call them a Militia the Boy scouts or Girls gone camping?? LOL!!! I see anyone that fails to make some agreement with neighbors or co workers as setting themselves up for a fall and I wish them well? As it was in the beginning, it is still and now, Not a Lot has changed! Once in a while the Tree of Liberty has to be refreshed by the Blood of tyrants and Patriots both? Let us never think we are too safe, and that we have nothing to worry about!


RON

To think one can go it alone is sheer romanticism fueled by way to many Schwarzenegger movies LOL!! The truth is we need support. If one could go it alone we would have a very small military! If militia is a bad word whatever! Call it what you will but you do need support.

As Ron has said not a lot has changed I would disagree with that. NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!! Free men are only kept free as long as they have one eye on what their elected officials are doing. As our founding fathers have demonstrated that means a militia ready to step in and slap the hands of those that step out of line, when needed.

Our founding fathers put that in the constitution for a reason. If they didn't mean for it to be taken seriously they wouldn't have put it in. Nothing in the constitution is filler, it is all relevant, all of the time. I think for us to be debating this is a slap in our father's faces.

It is our obligation and our duty to see that we do not fall into the clutches of tyranny!! If we do it is because we slept behind the wheel and we were never worthy of freedom in the first place.

We must protest the ridiculousness of Washington. I am not advocating violence. I am however advocating calling your senator and telling him or her how you feel. Let them know what your stance is and that it will affect your vote for them next time around. Write letters, stand in your town square with a sign and let your voice be heard!!! Shout loud and clear!!!! The left is a minority ( recent polls have confirmed that) and the only reason why they are getting any air time is because "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."

So stand up and be counted. The time to sit on our asses is over! Let's become the "squeaky wheel" and make our elected officials grease us!! After all, they do work for us. They are our servants, we are not theirs!

[RONSERESURPLUS]

hello all, RON L here , RESPONCE TO Mauser_Man


I agree with you 100%, and I do have my plans and my Folks that I know and can Trust, but as far as the country goes? I'm not sure we have the #'s to make anything but a Local Difference and yea the Politicians well do work for us, But many are on a GOD Complex and think that we are thier Slaves! Thats a mindset that will be in need or a revolution to reverse? I'm not saying storm the White House but I'm not siure the Average american Gives a **** enought to toss these bums out? As long as it don't effect them and thiers they will ignore the Problem? I also know that it can be fixed, I just wonder if we have the WILL?

RON

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@Ron: A couple of comments about your recent posts:

Man, You had me sitting here in TOTAL AGREEMENT! With an Administration like we have had since the Clintoon years, that one might need support from folks he coud trust, as well as a watchfull eye on a GOV that is TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL and OUT OF THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, the Militia movement is needed more than ever!

I'm not saying storm the White House but I'm not siure the Average american Gives a **** enought to toss these bums out? As long as it don't effect them and thiers they will ignore the Problem?

These appear to be contradictory statements. If no one cares, how can it be "out of the will of the people" for the government to do such things? My personal concern is not that militias exist, but what agenda they're pushing. Is that "Will of the People" actually of The People, or just Your People? Or Their People? Or My People? Not sure, but it can't be The People, because most people really do just want to get on with their lives in sweet ignorance.

Also on your second statement...

But many are on a GOD Complex and think that we are thier Slaves! Thats a mindset that will be in need or a revolution to reverse? I'm not saying storm the White House but...

You seem to have another contradiction here. You can't have a revolution without storming the White House. It's not like the government will look at what a given militia is doing and think "Gee, they're pretty mad, guess we'd better change our ways..." What they might do in the name of patriotism becomes, in the government's eyes, terrorism. A threat to the established order is simply not acceptable, and we both know the US government deals with that kind of threat. It wouldn't be possible to go halfway even if they wanted to.

I'm not trying to slam militia groups as being terrorist - whether they are or not, I don't know. I imagine it'd depend on the group - but that's how it'll be perceived by the government should a militia group decide to take it beyond "training exercises" and attempt to take out the "Bad Seeds", as you call them.

And again, this brings me back to my primary concern about militias, and that is what agenda are they pushing exactly? You yourself are advocating throwing out those deadbeats in Washington so people can be brought in make the government more in line with the will of the people. But whose will is that? Yours presumably, but I have my doubts that your will matches mine in many respects. If I may ask, what would you change in the way the government is run if you were able to replace the bad seeds?