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Old 12-02-2009, 10:12 PM   #11
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You are right. Rush speaks the same truths as good old George did that caused me to bury two of my grandsons that were killed by his lies. Although I am now retired I am still working with a group of poor souls that came back from The Bush Gestapo’s big truth with Post Traumatic Shock Syndrome. A year ago one young man, with a wife and two small children, who I was trying to help committed suicide despite my best efforts. That failure on my part prays on my mind constantly. Over 50 years ago a very wise man, my father, told me that the truth is what it is not what we want to think it is.

Tell me how Ted Kennedy single handily screwed things up in this country. Think about it; it took quite a few of the elected prostitutes on Capitol Hill to screw things up the way they are now. Do you realize that after eight years of the Great Truth Teller we are now so deep in debt to China that your great-grandchildren will still be paying on it? I suppose that Kennedy pulled that one off all by himself.

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I am all for a single payer health care system. I have quit a few friends up in Canada and from what they tell me it is good deal for them. I am sure it would work here if we could curtail the greed of the insurance and health care industries.
As it was raining today, I've been watching the debates on this very topic. The "plan" is so bad that it will never pass, and thank whatever deity you want that we have C-SPAN, because none of the alphabet news outlets will cover this. It's being shredded from all sides.
Canadian health care sucks. I can say this because you can see Canada from the house where I grew up, my grandparents on my dad's side came from Canada, and we have family in the Kingston area in southern Ontario, and while it may BE a good deal from the standpoint of availability of cheap, common medicines, nobody gets surgery there if they can possibly get across the Thousand Islands Bridge or onto the ferry which lands in my home town. That, and quite frankly, many Canucks just don't know any damned better. They don't live in the country which has the very finest health care system in the history of the universe. They live just north of it. Not once in my life have I ever heard of anyone going to Canada for health care, but you can bet your butt that they come here in droves.
Would you have supported a government-run health system if Bush had come up with such a plan?
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Although I am pretty sure that the thought of a single payer health care system never crossed Bush’s mind but if by some miracle he did come up with a real one I damn sure would have supported it. The way I see it the Bill that they are debating now has so much in that benefits the insurance and health care industries it isn’t worth the paper it is written on. The insurance industry will make billions each year when the law is that everyone has to purchase health care insurance. With the cuts they propose in Medicare everyone over the age of 50 should be screaming their heads off. My wife, she is a retired attorney, and I laboriously have gone through the bill and found that it has so many holes in it that it makes the tax code look like it is chiseled in granite. It does do a good job setting up another bureaucracy that can be bought off by the lobbyists.

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Although I am pretty sure that the thought of a single payer health care system never crossed Bush’s mind but if by some miracle he did come up with a real one I damn sure would have supported it. The way I see it the Bill that they are debating now has so much in that benefits the insurance and health care industries it isn’t worth the paper it is written on. The insurance industry will make billions each year when the law is that everyone has to purchase health care insurance. With the cuts they propose in Medicare everyone over the age of 50 should be screaming their heads off. My wife, she is a retired attorney, and I laboriously have gone through the bill and found that it has so many holes in it that it makes the tax code look like it is chiseled in granite. It does do a good job setting up another bureaucracy that can be bought off by the lobbyists.
The fact that there is no mention of tort reform or award limits should blow it out of the water from the get-go. My wife is a senior NP, and you'd cringe if you knew what percentage of earnings go directly to malpractice insurance in several different areas (Nose/tail coverage, etc...). As I understand it, there is no guaranteed time frame for the government to reimburse (Okay, let's just call it "pay") providers, and budget management for individual groups/facilities would be non-existent.
There are some problems in our current system, and there is a small percentage of America which needs, wants, yet can't afford insurance, but overhauling the entire program is not necessary. When you start talking "trillions", you could buy every uninsured person in America a whole damned hospital just for them.
Basically, we don't even need a GOOD plan that costs billions, yet they're trying to push through an absolute disaster which will cost trillions, lead to inferior quality, and kill people.
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Tort reform is the biggest pile of excrement that has come down the pike in recorded history. People should wake up and realize that if it weren’t for the plaintiff’s attorneys Ford would still be making Pintos and our homes would be full of asbestos. Damn it why do people believe all the self-serving crap put out by the insurance industry and corporate America saying that there should be a limit on what one should receive as compensation for what they suffer when some quack or corporation screws up. The plaintiff’s attorneys are the only protection the average citizen has against professional incompetence and corporate greed.

Before my became disabled was a medical malpractice attorney and I have first hand knowledge of cases where the wronged individual should have gotten every penny the quack had and would ever have but also should have bankrupted their insurance carrier.

One of my sons-in-laws is a thoracic surgeon and he and his group has paid over a million dollars for malpractice insurance in the last four years and never had a claim against them. He says that it is less than 10% of doctors that are covered ever have a suit against them. By his estimate the insurance carriers receive over four billion a year providing coverage and only pay out less than fifty million settling claims. Insurance companies would much rather settle claims rather than going to court where it would a matter of public record as to how their covered entities f--ked up.

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So patriotjoe was that a zenith radio or an rca......

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As it was raining today, I've been watching the debates on this very topic. The "plan" is so bad that it will never pass, and thank whatever deity you want that we have C-SPAN, because none of the alphabet news outlets will cover this. It's being shredded from all sides.
Canadian health care sucks. I can say this because you can see Canada from the house where I grew up, my grandparents on my dad's side came from Canada, and we have family in the Kingston area in southern Ontario, and while it may BE a good deal from the standpoint of availability of cheap, common medicines, nobody gets surgery there if they can possibly get across the Thousand Islands Bridge or onto the ferry which lands in my home town. That, and quite frankly, many Canucks just don't know any damned better. They don't live in the country which has the very finest health care system in the history of the universe. They live just north of it. Not once in my life have I ever heard of anyone going to Canada for health care, but you can bet your butt that they come here in droves.
Would you have supported a government-run health system if Bush had come up with such a plan?

Ps good point noids
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