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Old 05-25-2012, 12:03 PM   #21
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Except severe infection from ulcerated sores on the insides of his enormous thighs. He didn't survive that.
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Umm, . . . there’s something missing here.

Yes, those with more fat will last longer then those with less, if nobodies doing anything. However, those who have a higher muscle to fat ratio will be able to obtain more food, faster than those who have more fat than muscle.

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Vincine that's very true! Just saying a complete lean pure muscle body isnt good...great to have one, isnt good in shtf... rather have a little plump tummy and fat padding. instead of pure muscle.

Btw another thing: Fat people can be fit!...so most people can be fit unless you are overly fat/obese.

In the end...just be fit, be healthy. Just be able to carry your own weight fast.

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Daddy woulda survived anything...
Well at least you got the continent right. Luker is German.

Having some extra body fat is a good thing. Being over weight and out of shape is not. Obesity leads to a lot of health problems, and being out of shape would certainly not be good if the SHTF.

Muscle is the first thing to go when you quit eating. Your body actually cannibalizes itself. That slows down your metabolism and then you start burning fat reserves. That's also were a lot of people go wrong when trying to loose weight. Muscles require energy and maintaining those muscles requires your body to work harder, which in turn increases your metabolism and burns fat (even when your a sleep). The more muscle you have the easier it is to loose body fat. When you "just" cut way back on food to loose weight you will loose weight but that is because you loose lean muscle rather than body fat, and your metabolism slows down. To intentionally loose body fat you want to increase your metabolism and not slow it down. To increase your metabolism you need to eat and you also need to add muscle, which means exercise. That's why so many skinny people can eat like a horse and stay skinny. All of that food provides energy, and they are doing enough physically to keep their metabolism high and burn that energy rather than store it as fat. Cardio also helps because it puts stress on your heart, which is a muscle, and strengthens it and that also increases your metabolism.

If you only have muscle then you are done just as soon as your body cannibalizes that muscle due to lack of food (or illness). But "extra" body fat doesn't mean obese. Primitive tribesmen generally don't have visible washboard abs, and that's because they have some body fat (assuming they've eaten). But I wouldn't describe them as obese or out of shape?

It's also important to be in shape. Many people think they can walk 15, 20, or maybe 30 miles or so a day with a pack while bugging out, but they have no idea what it's like to actually walk 15 miles with a load. I know that I couldn't do it right now because I am still recovering from almost starving to death. It took me a year to get to where I could walk 2 miles without passing out (literally). Before my health problems I would start most Saturdays off with a 5 mile hike carrying a load to go metal detecting in the middle of no where, and I ran 2 miles every other morning before work just to keep in shape. Luckily I also had some extra body fat to go along with being in shape when I got sick. I am slowly getting back to that level of fitness but even at that level 15 miles with a pack would be tough. Do able, but certainly not fun.

Just remember the old saying "everything in moderation". The key word was "everything". Too much fat is bad. Too little fat is bad. Too much cardio is bad. Too little cardio is bad. Well you get the idea.
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Well at least you got the continent right. Luker is German.

Having some extra body fat is a good thing. Being over weight and out of shape is not. Obesity leads to a lot of health problems, and being out of shape would certainly not be good if the SHTF.

Muscle is the first thing to go when you quit eating. Your body actually cannibalizes itself. That slows down your metabolism and then you start burning fat reserves. That's also were a lot of people go wrong when trying to loose weight. Muscles require energy and maintaining those muscles requires your body to work harder, which in turn increases your metabolism and burns fat (even when your a sleep). The more muscle you have the easier it is to loose body fat. When you "just" cut way back on food to loose weight you will loose weight but that is because you loose lean muscle rather than body fat, and your metabolism slows down. To intentionally loose body fat you want to increase your metabolism and not slow it down. To increase your metabolism you need to eat and you also need to add muscle, which means exercise. That's why so many skinny people can eat like a horse and stay skinny. All of that food provides energy, and they are doing enough physically to keep their metabolism high and burn that energy rather than store it as fat. Cardio also helps because it puts stress on your heart, which is a muscle, and strengthens it and that also increases your metabolism.

If you only have muscle then you are done just as soon as your body cannibalizes that muscle due to lack of food (or illness). But "extra" body fat doesn't mean obese. Primitive tribesmen generally don't have visible washboard abs, and that's because they have some body fat (assuming they've eaten). But I wouldn't describe them as obese or out of shape?

It's also important to be in shape. Many people think they can walk 15, 20, or maybe 30 miles or so a day with a pack while bugging out, but they have no idea what it's like to actually walk 15 miles with a load. I know that I couldn't do it right now because I am still recovering from almost starving to death. It took me a year to get to where I could walk 2 miles without passing out (literally). Before my health problems I would start most Saturdays off with a 5 mile hike carrying a load to go metal detecting in the middle of no where, and I ran 2 miles every other morning before work just to keep in shape. Luckily I also had some extra body fat to go along with being in shape when I got sick. I am slowly getting back to that level of fitness but even at that level 15 miles with a pack would be tough. Do able, but certainly not fun.

Just remember the old saying "everything in moderation". The key word was "everything". Too much fat is bad. Too little fat is bad. Too much cardio is bad. Too little cardio is bad. Well you get the idea.
Without getting too technical...the above is RIGHT ON!
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There's a reason she was called the "Virgin Queen"!
She was not a virgin though. She had at least two lovers.

Sir Walter Raleigh and Sir Frances Drake.

Being that she was a strawberry blonde, I am sure she was a beauty undressed.
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Umm, . . . there’s something missing here.

Yes, those with more fat will last longer then those with less, if nobodies doing anything. However, those who have a higher muscle to fat ratio will be able to obtain more food, faster than those who have more fat than muscle.
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Basic physical fitness is something I don't see talked about nearly enough on survival forums. It is healthy and natural to carry a few extra pounds. In a real SHTF the average 300 lb couch potato won't last long.

More important than your actual weight is your fitness level. A couch potato is not going to survive a long hike or be able to work nearly as hard. So many Americans have weight related health issues at young ages. Even in a regional emergency many diabetics will be in trouble.

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Sooo, in a shtf scenario the surviving women will be fat eggheads? I better change my standards again. :-D

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Getting old can slow you down too. We are very active for our age but we are slowing down. Bugging out is not a good option for my wife and I because of the physical effort but we would have a better chance than a 300 pound couch potato. we are not skinny but not obese either.

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