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Old 07-10-2010, 06:51 AM   #11
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Are we talking about "the end"? If so, you can't have too much.

If you can make a one shot kill on an animal every time, and shoot 3 animals a week for food/skins/etc, and plan on living another 25 years you will need a minimum of 4,000rds just for that. And that is without ever firing a round in defense, etc.

.22LR will be the most useful, and the easiest to stockpile, affordably.

Most decent quality guns will provide several lifetimes of use, but ammo will get scarce, fast. It is also a great barter item, possibly the best.

10,000 rds per caliber is a nice start. But go heavy on .22LR ammo.

Guns are worthless without the consumables to keep them running. Ammo, Mags, spare parts (and the knowledge and tools to replace them).
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Old 07-10-2010, 03:58 PM   #12
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Are we talking about "the end"? If so, you can't have too much.

If you can make a one shot kill on an animal every time, and shoot 3 animals a week for food/skins/etc, and plan on living another 25 years you will need a minimum of 4,000rds just for that. And that is without ever firing a round in defense, etc.

.22LR will be the most useful, and the easiest to stockpile, affordably.

Most decent quality guns will provide several lifetimes of use, but ammo will get scarce, fast. It is also a great barter item, possibly the best.

10,000 rds per caliber is a nice start. But go heavy on .22LR ammo.

Guns are worthless without the consumables to keep them running. Ammo, Mags, spare parts (and the knowledge and tools to replace them).
You are so right about the ammo M14 and so many think 1000 rounds is enough, but they really don't last that long, especially, if they are not of the caliber most commonly used world wide, and it could be that there will be no just going to the store or ordering more, and as far as shooting the animals, you will have to practice conservation on them, as you said 3 kills a week, that will exhaust the supply of meat.since they cannot produce fast enough to keep up with that amount of attrition.And that rate will be accelerated when you consider that every Tom,Dick, and Harry will be doing the same thing.In order for sustained living off the land, you will have to have a continual garden planted with GMO seeds so that you will have a continual supply of fresh seeds and you MUST have a good supply of dehydrated and freeze dried foods and use the animals as an occasional protein enhancement.
Also, you need to utilize the available wind and solar systems out there, because at one point gas and Diesel will become a premium commodity.

At one point, even if you have 500/1000 gal of fuel, if conservation is not practiced religiously, it too will run out, and it very well might be unavailable, and what is might well be reserved for the powers that be to function.As the old saying goes, it is always to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

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During my leaner economic times the last year or two I have felt bad about certain kinds of consumer spending. Some things just feel like pure spending.

But ammo and such, to me, is like putting money in the bank as much or more than a savings account (a bank can go down if SHTF). It could used or spent like money.

To me, in a SHTF situation, there is NOOOOOOO amount of ammo that is too much. If one has the money to invest in it, the only limit to ammo collecting is storage space.

I don't have much now, but every dollar I can squeeze is going to buy more.
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