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Old 02-24-2012, 09:24 AM   #11
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Na mon ami your wrong...it be peyote that makes you chase giant chickens....damn dont you ever watch young guns?????

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No I have peyote here remember im a new mexican, it just makes u sick an gives bad visions never saw a chicken tho
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:27 AM   #12
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No I have peyote here remember im a new mexican, it just makes u sick an gives bad visions never saw a chicken tho
Shush dont let that white boy on young guns know that i say they were acid hittin then peyote smoken.

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Old 02-24-2012, 11:24 AM   #13
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The sh!t has already hit the fan.

You don't need a Ph.D. in economics and monetary policy to see what has happened to the U.S. dollar, and it doesn't require great prognosticative skills to see where we are headed.

Just look at how "the numbers" from the federal government are calculated. Part of the GDP calculation is government spending. Well, spending is extremely high so our GDP looks better than it is. Unemployment calculations ignore all the people who have run out the time on their benefits, ignores underemployed people, and ignores those who have given up looking for work. Inflation calculations ignore the price of food and fuel - two very important consumer items. They can fudge the numbers any way they want, but reality is reality.

We will continue to see a decrease in the value of the dollar and I expect the rate of devaluation will speed up in the next year or so. Since income is generally flat - raises are uncommon and the percentages of raises given do not keep pace with inflation - people are feeling the pain right now and it will get worse before it gets better.

The concern is that if the dollar falls so low that people can't afford the basics - food, rent/mortgage, utilities, clothes - there will be civil unrest. My concern is urban centers: there is a high percentage of people on welfare (or some derivative thereof) and they will go ballistic if their hand-outs dry up or if they can't buy what they want with them. Take a look at Athens, Greece today for details. Unlike Greece, Americans are armed. The potential for widespread violence exists. While we can't say it will definitely take place, we know the probability that it could take place is well above 0.

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Old 02-24-2012, 11:51 AM   #14
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There are many scenarios of it hitting the fan -- one as mentioned. And of course it will, even if just like "every gun is always loaded"! It may be local and short term, national and years long, or global and last a generation or more... Isn't this the point? Regardless, shouldn't you presume "it" is happening tomorrow and be as prepared as possible? Preps are an insurance policy. Evil, you can rest assured, will be the result of people acting out and cannot be underestimated...

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1.5 to 5 yrs if obama is reelected. being prepared? trying to, depends what happens, and who's right, economic collapse, armeggedon, revolution, asteroid, super volcano, earthquakes, or all of the above.

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I agree with bkt, the die is cast. If the powers that control monetary policy allow for the eventual slide it could take years. Although we are weakened, we as a nation are still the largest economy on earth.

If the powers that be want a power grab all this could be accelerated to cause civil unrest. In that scenerio you could say goodbye to your freedoms and the abilitiy to further prepare.

All one needs to do is connect the issues we discuss on these forums and create a big picture for yourself. It is only about control of the masses. If you can't do it for yourself, human nature dictates that you will accept less freedoms if some established power can do it for you.

The government will create a problem, for a solution. That solution will leave us a whole lot less free.

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We are on a road that we do not have the will to recover from. We are Greece. Almost half of income earners do not pay income tax. A large percentage of that number actually gets more money back after filing than they paid in. Those of us who actually pay into the system can be outnumbered at the polls if we are now watchful.
My wife and I earn a very respectable living. It is above the national average in an area where the median earnings are below the national average. We are spending a considerable amount for food than we have in the past, a considerable amount for gasoline than we have in the past, and are only staying ahead because we have dropped our debt to only our mortgage. No cars or new motorcycles until the house is paid off. Things are very tight with us and I don't know how my friends who make a lot less than we do can make it.
Less than 2 years until the economy goes completely ballistic with wild market fluctuations and inflation in the double digits is my guess. Unless the gov can get spending down and start weaning the hogs at the trough.

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We are on a road that we do not have the will to recover from. We are Greece. Almost half of income earners do not pay income tax. A large percentage of that number actually gets more money back after filing than they paid in. Those of us who actually pay into the system can be outnumbered at the polls if we are now watchful.
My wife and I earn a very respectable living. It is above the national average in an area where the median earnings are below the national average. We are spending a considerable amount for food than we have in the past, a considerable amount for gasoline than we have in the past, and are only staying ahead because we have dropped our debt to only our mortgage. No cars or new motorcycles until the house is paid off. Things are very tight with us and I don't know how my friends who make a lot less than we do can make it.
Less than 2 years until the economy goes completely ballistic with wild market fluctuations and inflation in the double digits is my guess. Unless the gov can get spending down and start weaning the hogs at the trough.
Weannin the hogs means taken out alot of politicians.

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With all the rights that our socialist Government is chipping away at, I see a major SHTF situation in the somewhat near future.

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I have to agree with BKT that it has already hit the fan. Inflation has a tipping point and once it hits that tipping point it will go hyper in a hurry. The current rise in fuel prices could very well be the trigger. Obama is out to destroy the economy and make everyone dependent on the government. There will be riots when people can no longer buy food and pay for the power to cook it or even have a roof over their heads. The riots will be the excuse for the government to declare a state of emergency and do a total takeover. This is right out of the Communist Playbook.
I am not really worried about a physical calamity or the Mayan calendar. There are a lot of remote possible scenarios that we have no possibility of controlling. I look at the way this country is headed and that is what scares me. I will be 72 shortly and I remember what this country was. Greed and apathy have taken over and I am afraid it will take a calamity to bring the USA back to the right course. I dont see our corrupt government doing that. I see only two possible outcomes at this point and I dont like either of them. We will fall into Socialism or we will have a Civil War. Either way we will no longer be a major power. Civil War may be the only way we can kick our corrupt government out. I just hope I am wrong.

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