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Originally Posted by trip286

Oh just quit already. Obama freaking admitted that his policies would drive energy costs through the roof, and your still keeping this up? You've crossed the line a long time ago of defending your chosen candidate and have gone into just making yourself look bad.

The same thing I told someone else regarding Islam, your defending something that is indefensible. Just give it up already. Now your just being silly.

Where is the 'like' button

[nitestalker]

California has anti fossil fuel laws. They force the oil & gas producers to shut down and switch over fuel products 2 times each year. This is very expensive and causes a fuel shortage twice each year. To compound this problem California laws do not allow gas to be imported from other states. So the socialist economy has California in a Euro trap. If you support Obama for another four years look at California. Yes, that is Obama's vision for all Americans.

[trip286]

Originally Posted by undumb

Where is the 'like' button

You'll have to open the browser or do it from computer.

But thanks anyway, I'll be here almost all day, everyday!

[fmj]

Originally Posted by fa35jsf

It's $3.60 here in OK. Down a few cents from last week. Ridiculous anyway you look at it. That's why I am seriously looking to put a CNG kit on my next new car. Costs quite a bit upfront but with natural gas costing about 20-50% of what gasoline costs it can pay back in a few years.

Natural gas may be less expensive, but it takes more fuel to achieve the same amount of HP...so basically you save nothing...and in reality spend more.

Same with ethanol blends...it costs less, but requires more fuel to go the same distance.

Either way, they are going to get your $$$.

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by fmj

Natural gas may be less expensive, but it takes more fuel to achieve the same amount of HP...so basically you save nothing...and in reality spend more.

Same with ethanol blends...it costs less, but requires more fuel to go the same distance.

Either way, they are going to get your $$$.

yeah and ethanol is horrible on two strokes and small gasoline engines. dries out and rots the fuel lines and leaves deposits in the fuel system. horrible stuff for engines.

[JD1969]

Originally Posted by trip286

Do you know how much the government and oil companies make in profit? Last I checked, fed was actually profiting more than the companies that produce it. 2004ish.

He was talking about the retailer though. Most filling stations are not owned by the oil company, they are interdependent. They make little to nothing off of fuel sales, all their profits come from the sale of convenience items, the car wash, little smelly trees that hang from the mirror and all the other junk they sell.

[trip286]

Originally Posted by JD1969

He was talking about the retailer though. Most filling stations are not owned by the oil company, they are interdependent. They make little to nothing off of fuel sales, all their profits come from the sale of convenience items, the car wash, little smelly trees that hang from the mirror and all the other junk they sell.

Oh I know they don't make much from it, I used to work in a gas station, back when full service was still available. I really am talking about the oil companies and fed. The last numbers I heard was something like 32 cents profit to the oil company, and 45 cents tax to the fed gov per gallon.

And that was ten years ago. Almost.

[fa35jsf]

well I know that since diesel became more popular, about a decade or so ago, it has been taxed more than gas since its "dirty". I would love a diesel truck but no way I could afford to feed one.

As CNG goes, everything I have looked into says it provides the same MPG per Gasoline Gallon Equivalent. Pumps measure the fuel you put in by GGE's so therefor it is still cheaper. The downside to all of this is a CNG tank takes up at least twice the space as does a gasoline tank for the same energy amount or GGE

[axxe55]

gas prices in my area of East Texas is holding right now at $3.55 a gallon.

[nitestalker]

The folks here who are running NG in their trucks are paying .83 cents per gallon. Now tell me NG is a bad deal. Oil changes are not needed you can run your motor oil almost for ever.