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Old 07-04-2012, 06:56 PM   #21
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79% of US population lives in Urban areas, 21% of US population lives in rural areas.

Hockey, you keep showing your lack of knowledge more and more. Most people are not going to prepare, and if they do they will not leave home. The urban areas will remain populated until they starve or the situation reverses itself, because there is no where for them to go. The gas stations around the Colorado fire sold out within 4 hours.

Those of us who are fortunate enough to have rural property, sure as hell are not going to allow the urban masses to converge upon us. We have enough to keep us alive but not you.
Wow, you really had to go out of your way to try to mislead people here William. I don't care about your silly ad hominem attacks against me -- they're just ignorant and childish. I am first vindicated in that I clearly stated suburbs and rural vs. cities. You had to intentionally ignore that to seek and give out false statistics. 50% of the population live in suburban areas alone. Presuming your stat on "rural" is correct, that's 71% of the population that live in suburbun and rural locations.

Why would you be untruthful!? Second vindication is recognizing and challenging your odd hypothesis (i.e. people planning to spend their time on pavement and in crowds which is about as antithetical to being self-reliant as it gets). I think it is dangerous to readers here and it doesn't even apply to the majority. I also believe it is inappropriate for you to come back and try to misdirect everyone.

But I still don't get your motives for being disingenuous? Embarassment!? You have been naive and deceitful to the entire forum here IMO.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:00 PM   #22
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My point is, I am already bugged out. We left the city 5 years ago. I am dug in, I will hide in plain sight, and I will mingle with the masses, and I will never be suspected, and I will come back to the house and sit in the easy chair and sleep in my comfy bed, and eat whatever we have for a meal. I dont intend to run and hide in a cave.
Let's all get this straight William -- you will survive because you live in the country but will get away with going into the big city.

What on EARTH are you going on about? This is a prepredness forum. Are you trying to be sarcastic or something!?
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:13 PM   #23
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http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/archives/metropolitan_planning/cps2k.cfm


Census 2000 Population Statistics
U.S. Population Living in Urban vs. Rural Areas

Geographic Division: # of Areas Total Population Percent of U.S. Total
Total U.S. Population 285,230,516 100
Population living in Urban Areas 2 3,629 225,956,060 79.219
Population living in Rural Areas 59,274,456 20.781
Urban Area Categories:
1. Urbanized Areas over 200,000 population 153 166,215,889 58.274
2. Urbanized Areas 50,000 - 199,999 population 310 29,584,626 10.372
3. Urban Clusters 5,000 - 49,999 population 1838 25,438,275 8.918
4. Urban Clusters 2,500 - 4,999 population 1328 4,717,270 1.654
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Census 2000 Population Statistics
U.S. Population Living in Urban vs. Rural Areas

Geographic Division: # of Areas Total Population Percent of U.S. Total
Total U.S. Population 285,230,516 100
Population living in Urban Areas 2 3,629 225,956,060 79.219
Population living in Rural Areas 59,274,456 20.781
Urban Area Categories:
1. Urbanized Areas over 200,000 population 153 166,215,889 58.274
2. Urbanized Areas 50,000 - 199,999 population 310 29,584,626 10.372
3. Urban Clusters 5,000 - 49,999 population 1838 25,438,275 8.918
4. Urban Clusters 2,500 - 4,999 population 1328 4,717,270 1.654
I don't think "dressing the part" includes a dunce cap so, William, now you're just gonna stick to your story knowing it's false. There's a name for that and people who do it.

I didn't say urban. I've already explained that half of Americans are sub-urban (but are in the misleading stats you are shoveling) which is quite different than living in the city "urbs." But you know that already too.

Again, I just don't get the basis or objective of your deception...

http://www.pbs.org/fmc/book/1population6.htm


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Whenever statistics are being quoted, I know a debate has gone to hell. Mark Twain one said, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

The OPs original point was don't wear cameo if you want to blend in to your surroundings in an urban environment. Is that correct ?

Never gave it much thought but I learned the value of "blending in" at Airborne School and it served me well.

How one is to achieve the goal of seemlessly blending in to whatever environment they encounter would be more useful debate than how to define urban/suburbs demographics.

Just my .02

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I'm gonna wear what I usually do. Heavy cargo pants or 511 pants. I can't hide in my small town and nobody will care about me either, except to ask for assistance or advice.

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Actually, prevention is a good "p" to have in emergency preparedness. Me? I intend to avoid an inner-city, just like I do today, and would encourage everyone here to do to the same to the extent practicable. All except William, that is, whom I urge to test his theory out under the worst possible circumstances to prove it works.

I think it is obvious that you can only cover up so much with camouflage and that includes stupidity.

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I'm lost here and I am not sure where this thread was intended to go.

On the one hand there was a statement that most people will want to run out and get camouflage clothing in the event of a SHTF scenario.

Then in the next line the thread is saying that to wear camo would be unwise in an urban environment.

Well if 'most people' in an urban environment are getting camo clothing, and regardless of the numbers used you are in that environment, would it not be wise to join the crowd?

I presume the pretense was to associate your state of dress with whatever is 'normal' for the area you are in at the time you are there.

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People are not predictable, especially when confronted with a complete and utter collapse of everything they have come to rely upon.

To assume that people are going to do anything predictable in the event of a true crisis is basically planning to fail.

If you are faced with a true SHTF situation, consider yourself lucky to have a choice! From there, make decisions based on staying safe and keeping those around you in the same condition.

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Whenever statistics are being quoted, I know a debate has gone to hell. Mark Twain one said, "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."

The OPs original point was don't wear cameo if you want to blend in to your surroundings in an urban environment. Is that correct ?

Never gave it much thought but I learned the value of "blending in" at Airborne School and it served me well.

How one is to achieve the goal of seemlessly blending in to whatever environment they encounter would be more useful debate than how to define urban/suburbs demographics.

Just my .02

That sounds about right to me. Everyone would encounter different situations based on their environment and the type of SHTF circumstances. Just be sure to go with what works at that time and not what you might think will work for some future event.

Old Japanese saying, "The tallest nail is the first one to be hit."
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Until I got hijacked, the point of the conversation was to not draw attention to yourself by dressing differently than the general population. I like the BDU cargo pants, I have several pairs of them. They are OK for early deer season while the green leaves are on, but, if you leave the hunt, you stand out. Tan Carhartts on the other hand function in most all environments, and no one would give you a second notice.

I do not know why I have been singled out for attack by this person but it is becoming very annoying.

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