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Old 08-21-2013, 12:29 PM   #21
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The real bad part of this discussion is that it could be taking place in any country in the world. Everyone is in the same sinking boat. There is very little doubt that this will end badly. All I can say is "Good luck to all and God bless."

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Yeah, I'm noticing a decline in my ability to get

22LR, because Preppers have got a stranglehold

on the supply.

HEY, Preppers! DANG! Get a life, how much fargin'

22LR ammo do you need, really?
Oh maybe 20,000-30,000 or so
I quit buying off the shelf and only buy from my FFL buddy usually 5% above cost
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Yep, the standard of living in the US had been declining for decades. Adjusted for inflation, US wages are just below the 1989 level. We have lost 24 years of wage growth.

Meanwhile, Americans argue the vitrues of the two political partys. It's like arguing the virtues ot two made up truck stop road whores.

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When I was young, I had a paperroute, shovelled the whole neighborhood out when it snowed and cut grass, etc and had a job in Highschool. The further back, the more common that was for more people.

Today, most kids don't even try to get a job until after school is over. if they go to college the average person now is most often in a worthless degree and rack up huge debt to pay because they didn't save up for it.

Most are starting off bad without a job and ending up bad, living in their parent's basement and a pile of debt.

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Meanwhile, Americans argue the vitrues of the two political partys. It's like arguing the virtues ot two made up truck stop road whores.
That pretty well describes my feelings about the politics of all it.
What I'm most curious about is whether or not this is going to be a continuing trend and how to best prepare for it? On an individual level the changes can be fast and dramatic such as suddenly loosing a job and not finding another one anytime soon, but I'm guessing the decline for most of us will be slow. Prices will slowly rise and pay cuts will slowly happen. We will slowly cut back on spending until one day most of us are dirt poor and don't even realize it. How do you prepare for that?
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That pretty well describes my feelings about the politics of all it.
What I'm most curious about is whether or not this is going to be a continuing trend and how to best prepare for it? On an individual level the changes can be fast and dramatic such as suddenly loosing a job and not finding another one anytime soon, but I'm guessing the decline for most of us will be slow. Prices will slowly rise and pay cuts will slowly happen. We will slowly cut back on spending until one day most of us are dirt poor and don't even realize it. How do you prepare for that?
Start learning how to work the land, and live off of mother nature. Thats the only way i know of to prepare for that situation. If things continue to decline like they are then eventually things will start regressing to the way it was 40 and 50 years ago in the rural parts of the nation. Everyone had gardens and new how to live off the land, but they also depended on each other. Trade and barter are getting more and more common now days because people are learning that you can get more of a value by trading actual goods than you can trading an almost worthless piece of paper.
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Start learning how to work the land, and live off of mother nature. Thats the only way i know of to prepare for that situation. If things continue to decline like they are then eventually things will start regressing to the way it was 40 and 50 years ago in the rural parts of the nation. Everyone had gardens and new how to live off the land, but they also depended on each other. Trade and barter are getting more and more common now days because people are learning that you can get more of a value by trading actual goods than you can trading an almost worthless piece of paper.
I agree with what you're saying but it's more complicated than that. Most people don't have land much less the tools and knowledge to work it. And how much land should a person have? A lot of farmers lost their farms because of taxes in the Great Depression. If you have a lot of land then you have more taxes, which is ok if you're producing something of value with that land. If the bottom falls out of the markets you might not be able to produce much that has monetary value to pay those taxes?

My family were farmers during the Great Depression. They didn't even know there was a depression because they were dirt poor before it happened and during. Nothing changed for them. They survived but I hope to be able to do more than that. I hope to put myself in a position so that I'm at least comfortable in 10 years from now. I just haven't figured out how to do that yet.
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I agree with what you're saying but it's more complicated than that. Most people don't have land much less the tools and knowledge to work it. And how much land should a person have? A lot of farmers lost their farms because of taxes in the Great Depression. If you have a lot of land then you have more taxes, which is ok if you're producing something of value with that land. If the bottom falls out of the markets you might not be able to produce much that has monetary value to pay those taxes?

My family were farmers during the Great Depression. They didn't even know there was a depression because they were dirt poor before it happened and during. Nothing changed for them. They survived but I hope to be able to do more than that. I hope to put myself in a position so that I'm at least comfortable in 10 years from now. I just haven't figured out how to do that yet.
Start selling drugs or any other illegal endeavor. Seems like the only way anyone makes money now days.
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Start selling drugs or any other illegal endeavor. Seems like the only way anyone makes money now days.
That's how many, including Joe Kennedy, made money during and before the Great Depression!
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When I was young, I had a paperroute, shovelled the whole neighborhood out when it snowed and cut grass, etc and had a job in Highschool. The further back, the more common that was for more people.

Today, most kids don't even try to get a job until after school is over. if they go to college the average person now is most often in a worthless degree and rack up huge debt to pay because they didn't save up for it.

Most are starting off bad without a job and ending up bad, living in their parent's basement and a pile of debt.
I had noticed this same trend. My paper route bought my plinking ammo and my second bicycle and clothes and paid for my first "car" repairs.

I thought it was all just laziness until I asked some youngster shooting buddies about it. They insist that all the fast food jobs, lawn mowing jobs, paper routes, and most of the grocery bag boy jobs are no longer for kids; these employers can hire easier-to-deal-with and more-open-scheduled adults for those jobs now. I've noticed the paper routes all seem to be run by adults in little cars with enough papers for five or six routes; that is the type that took over my two routes when I left, a semi-disabled lady with seeeeveral routes in the same area. I blame the glut of inexpensive, relatively unskilled immigrant labor in this area for pushing similar non-immigrant laborers from their better paying construction and assembly line jobs. I never see kids working at the local fast food places around here, whereas, in high school, half my friends worked fast food.

I am not convinced that the youngsters are absolutely lazier than we were, but I am convinced that they have less opportunities for gainful employment.
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