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tellmaster207 · 12-05-2011, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dzscubie

Great day in the morning… what drugs are you on? Because if you’re not on drugs your just a moron.

Scubie

I disagree I don't think he is a moron or on drugs. There are reasons that people believe these things. There SEEMS to be more Leo popping of citizens lately. I find it disturbing how many guys coming home from Iraq & Afghanistan with PTSD are getting shot to death. Of course with that being said I must be in the wrong. Doesn't internal investigations from the police department along with the Attorney Generals office keep finding these murders to be justified shootings? Hay it's no big deal though, didn't this happen after Vietnam too?

Bang your dead. I'm the man, all you sheep better stay in line cause I got an itchy finger and I need a paid vacation.

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Dillinger · 12-05-2011, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tellmaster207

I disagree I don't think he is a moron or on drugs. There are reasons that people believe these things. There SEEMS to be more Leo popping of citizens lately. I find it disturbing how many guys coming home from Iraq & Afghanistan with PTSD are getting shot to death. Of course with that being said I must be in the wrong. Doesn't internal investigations from the police department along with the Attorney Generals office keep finding these murders to be justified shootings? Hay it's no big deal though, didn't this happen after Vietnam too?

Bang your dead. I'm the man, all you sheep better stay in line cause I got an itchy finger and I need a paid vacation.

Ridiculous.

People bring on themselves the fortune they have aspired too.

PTSD is a serious disease. My old man had it. He was in Vietnam and he experienced some serious stuff that had him on Level 7 at Bellevue Mental Hospital here in the Seattle area. He was also evaluated, cleared and released on his own based on his mental state.

Having said that: he was armed, he had means, training, and all the ability in the world to end a few lives.

He never did anything of the like because he loved being "back in the world" that much.

To assume that ANY group of troops is just going to embrace causing harm/death to fellow American Citizens is just absurd.

Has it happened, on a country-wide scale in 200+ years?

Why not? You used to be able to order a machine gun through Sears & Roebuck 50 years ago.

You think the soldiers of yesteryear were any less effective with a firearm? Or less motivated and angry at the system?

Where do you think the Hell's Angel counter culture came from? You didn't see them bombing Federal Buildings.

This argument bores me in the aspect that those who are representing the "civilains" think that the LEO/Military can't wait to turn their weapons upon us.

I'd bet on the nobility and character of the American serviceman/servicewoman every day of the week.

JD

tellmaster207 · 12-05-2011, 02:44 AM

Like I said I must be wrong. How dare I question the almighty LEO. All shooting are justified. Nothing for the sheep to read here, just move along.

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ANGRYcanary · 12-05-2011, 03:00 AM

In the Enlightenment, thinkers applied the word tyranny to the system of governance that had developed around aristocracy and monarchy. Specifically John Locke as part of his argument against the "Divine Right of Kings" in his book Two Treatises of Government defines it this way: “tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which nobody can have a right to; and this is making use of the power any one has in his hands, not for the good of those who are under it, but for his own private, separate advantage.”[6] John Locke's concept of tyranny influenced the writers of subsequent generations who developed the concept of tyranny as counterpoint to ideas of human rights and democracy. Jefferson referred to the tyranny of Britain in his Declaration of Independence, and the concept was refined in turn to refer to the Kings of France, the tyrants of the Terror, and to Napoleon in turn during the French Revolution and subsequent regimes.

This is a definition from Wiki... Just an example to combine with part of Dillinger's statement:

DILLINGER.."Also you have to consider that a given percentage of police, national guard and military folks are NOT going to blindly follow along and take up arms against their neighbors. And, every member that does has family or friends SOMEWHERE that another soldier will be taking up arms against, so you can't extrapolate the moral impact of that little mindf**k."

By today's standard, and with our current technology, it would be next to impossible for it to happen in any way that would be beneficial to any party without any long term serious consequences. It would have to be so precisely planned and executed, and with such incredible devastation, and there are FAR too many variables, in far too many separated and scattered areas, that it would be almost impossible. But that's just my two cent$. I'm probably wrong.

I came back with PTSD, SHRAPNEL in my back, and the tip of a knife blade stuck in the bone of my leg just above my right knee... I can assure you, my life, my Fiance's life, and most importantly MY CHILD'S life are far more important than me going on a killing spree, I don't even kick box anymore... I am however, going to be doing some competition shooting with a friend of mine who happens to be on the local P.D.

Dillinger · 12-05-2011, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tellmaster207

Like I said I must be wrong. How dare I question the almighty LEO. All shooting are justified. Nothing for the sheep to read here, just move along.

Right. Just like every bad guy has Saint's Blood and s/he is performing actions counter to the law just to feed their 7 kids.

Your statements take the position of the Axiom of Even Balance. Everything is either Right, or Wrong.

That's delusional. Of course there are bad cops. Of course there are people just robbing/stealing to make the mortgage.

But to assume that ALL are in the league of collusion because of the actions of a few is just plain naive.

What do you do for a living? I'm a PM for an Electrical Contractor and while there is no evidence to the fact, our customer thinks that we are out to eff them out of every penny at every turn.

If I carried that level of Shi*ite home with me, I would probably be reading Guns & Ammo and making a list to check twice.

But the few don't represent the whole.

Say 10% of ALL people with a badge are 150% evil and out for themselves. Hell, say 25%.

Does that mean the rest of the people in those job/professions are going to act the same way?

Have you ever played the game where the teacher whispers a secret to one person and that person repeats it to another and on around the room?

People with a brain actually question the direction of the marching orders given to them.

Maybe you live somewhere oppressive, stifling, overbearing. Basically behind the enemy lines.

That just means you need some time before the Alter of Reality to comprehend what the "battle" is all about

JD

ANGRYcanary · 12-05-2011, 03:25 AM

DILLINGER "Does that mean the rest of the people in those job/professions are going to act the same way?"
Thank you, EXACTLY..!

tellmaster207 · 12-05-2011, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dillinger

Right. Just like every bad guy has Saint's Blood and s/he is performing actions counter to the law just to feed their 7 kids.

Your statements take the position of the Axiom of Even Balance. Everything is either Right, or Wrong.

That's delusional. Of course there are bad cops. Of course there are people just robbing/stealing to make the mortgage.

But to assume that ALL are in the league of collusion because of the actions of a few is just plain naive.

What do you do for a living? I'm a PM for an Electrical Contractor and while there is no evidence to the fact, our customer thinks that we are out to eff them out of every penny at every turn.

If I carried that level of Shi*ite home with me, I would probably be reading Guns & Ammo and making a list to check twice.

But the few don't represent the whole.

Say 10% of ALL people with a badge are 150% evil and out for themselves. Hell, say 25%.

Does that mean the rest of the people in those job/professions are going to act the same way?

Have you ever played the game where the teacher whispers a secret to one person and that person repeats it to another and on around the room?

People with a brain actually question the direction of the marching orders given to them.

Maybe you live somewhere oppressive, stifling, overbearing. Basically behind the enemy lines.

That just means you need some time before the Alter of Reality to comprehend what the "battle" is all about

JD

Ummmm, I'll make this short. Your last to post seem to ramble. I understand what your saying but I can't quite figure out what it has to do with what I actually posted.

Right. Just like every bad guy has Saint's Blood and s/he is performing actions counter to the law just to feed their 7 kids.

How did anything I said have to do with any of that?

Your statements take the position of the Axiom of Even Balance. Everything is either Right, or Wrong.

Are you saying it's ok for Leo to kill everybody? If so I strongly disagree.

But to assume that ALL are in the league of collusion because of the actions of a few is just plain naive.

Can you kindly show me were I said ALL Leo is bad.

What do you do for a living? I'm a PM for an Electrical Contractor and while there is no evidence to the fact, our customer thinks that we are out to eff them out of every penny at every turn.

Ya I was a PM for two years for an Electrical Contractor. And a hold a Masters. Are you under a lot of stress?

If I carried that level of Shi*ite home with me, I would probably be reading Guns & Ammo and making a list to check twice.

But the few don't represent the whole.

Say 10% of ALL people with a badge are 150% evil and out for themselves. Hell, say 25%.

Does that mean the rest of the people in those job/professions are going to act the same way?

Have you ever played the game where the teacher whispers a secret to one person and that person repeats it to another and on around the room?

People with a brain actually question the direction of the marching orders given to them.

Maybe you live somewhere oppressive, stifling, overbearing. Basically behind the enemy lines.

That just means you need some time before the Alter of Reality to comprehend what the "battle" is all about

From the beginning of that tirade till the end all I can say is "Johnny's Home !!!!!"

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