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Old 12-04-2011, 06:47 PM   #1
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Ever think what would happen if the Government turned evil. The founding fathers predicted it and gave us the second amendment. But in today's world any resistance would be a joke. Wouldn't even need the military just the cops could stop any resistance by the citizens. Where there is large populations there is little armament. In rural areas there are arms but little population. It would be easy for them to stop all communications, then it would be hard to organize a resistance. They could have their finger on the big electric switch and flick it off for a day and most people would then toe the line. Oh there would be pockets of resistance but I don't think it would be hard to for them to squash them. Sure hope it never happens because John Q. Public would be screwed.
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Old 12-04-2011, 07:50 PM   #2
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Don't think so! There would be a gun behind every tree! And there are other ways of taking care of tyranny! We would have some surprises for them.
Maybe the liberal socialist pansies in the city! But not in the country. What they might not realize is a lot of the second amendment defenders were and or are law enforcement and military ourselves. "COME GET IT!" They will not be dealing with school boys, politicians or book scholars. We have fought for our freedom and rights in the past! So nothing new for us to defend our constitution and future rights for ourselves and or our families.

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Have to disagree with you OP.

By stopping communications you would have to physically disband every single form of electronic communication. Not "jam" or turn the power off, but physically blow them up or burn them to the ground.

Existing power/phone/cable and fiber lines can ALL be used to transmit and receive data if you happen to know what you are doing. Myself and several members of this forum happen to be within that category.

Next you have what Sniper03 is talking about above. Just because there are "a lot of people and few guns" doesn't mean it would be a cake walk.

And few people with a lot of guns, as in rural areas, leads you as an attempted occupier to cover ground that the natives know much better than you do. See a little conflict in S.E. Asia and specifically a historical disaster called Dien Bien Phu.

Also you have to consider that a given percentage of police, national guard and military folks are NOT going to blindly follow along and take up arms against their neighbors. And, every member that does has family or friends SOMEWHERE that another soldier will be taking up arms against, so you can't extrapolate the moral impact of that little mindf**k.

The occupying forces that you discribe might have an initial surge of momentum until word got out, but then everyone in a uniform would be a target just waiting for a well placed bullet.

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How many well educated, 2nd Amendment exposed,military and police members would fire on their own fellow citizens?
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How many well educated, 2nd Amendment exposed,military and police members would fire on their own fellow citizens?
The real question is how many well educated citizens are there? Judging by the state of this country we are the minority.
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We have fought back before against the worlds greatest military at the time with nothing more than farmers and there sons and ill see this country burn before i let them take what our founding fathers fought so hard for us to have.
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How many well educated, 2nd Amendment exposed,military and police members would fire on their own fellow citizens?
When it comes to police, the answer is too many. Who is the greatest restriction to concealed carry? The courts? The legislature? Your local chief or sheriff? That's an easy question. Why would do chiefs and sheriffs restrict a law abiding citizen's rights so often yet themselves would never go unprotected? They have a choice, but they abuse it.

Regarding military...I think most of them would do the right thing.
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How many well educated, 2nd Amendment exposed,military and police members would fire on their own fellow citizens?

"To be or not to be," is a Shakespearean question that probably won't be entertained under the weight of an 'order.'
And with that in mind my bet is that they will fire on their own citizens only because the terminology will be
changed to assuage any guilt that might come of it; (i.e.) citizens to terrorists.
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I don't think there can be any doubt as to the founder's intent with the second amendment? But rising up against "tyranny" is not anything to be taken likely. We tried that during the War of Northern Aggression, and more Americans were killed in that war than all others combined. A war against "tyranny" would be a civil war and it would be an absolute mess just like all civil wars.

The government could potentially be defeated, but I don't know that anything would be left afterwards other than a bombed out third world country? And what would replace this government? Just something to think about.
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Also you have to consider that a given percentage of police, national guard and military folks are NOT going to blindly follow along and take up arms against their neighbors. And, every member that does has family or friends SOMEWHERE that another soldier will be taking up arms against, so you can't extrapolate the moral impact of that little mindf**k.
Ultimately this is our security against governmental tyranny today, not the 2A.

However I really don’t think it will go down that way. What I believe will happen is that as the government becomes less and less effective at providing the usual services, communities will develop and grow their own capacity based on their particular needs. Informally at first, and then it will be organized. People will become responsible to their friends and neighbors, again.

You are beginning to see this with the development of farmer’s markets & the localvore movement, local crafts and community utilities and services, credit unions, etc. There are several communities that have their own local currency. At some point, maybe when energy costs become prohibitive or when enough people are managing to provide enough of their basic needs faster, better & cheaper without the traditional job (albeit because there aren’t any jobs and they have no choice), they may realize they don’t need the traditional job paid in US dollars. No job = no income = no paycheck = no records = no taxes.

It’s when this happens that the Federal government will, if not collapse, shrink to a shadow of itself. It’s less a question of citizen resistance than it is a question of obsolescence. It may take a generation or two.

At least I hope this is the way the economic transition transpires. The alternative is a frightening nightmare.
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