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Old 03-20-2012, 05:45 AM   #21
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I have a large alice pack, looks don't bother me, because, if im bugging out I will be trying to avoid others seeing me, if not, then hopefully I have more firepower than they do.

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I figure it's going to be impossible to not run into other people if it actually came to bugging out. Some of those people will not know you're even there, and there will be people that see you and you won't know they are there. I also wonder how others, and even myself, will react to running across other people while bugging out. I would probably invite a Mormon, Mennonite, Amish, priest, or orthodox Jew to dinner because it would be the right thing to do, and I would easily be able to tell they weren't a threat. I'm not sure how I would react to seeing someone armed to the teeth but I almost certainly wouldn't invite them to dinner simply because they could be a threat. I'm also not sure how I would react to someone that appeared to be an obvious threat such as someone wearing a Hell's Angels jacket or someone flashing gang signs. I'm assuming that others would react similarly to myself, and based on how I might react, I wouldn't want to appear to be an obvious threat to anyone. At the same time I wouldn't want to appear to be an easy target either or supply depot either.

There's also no telling how any of us would react after meeting a few punks. It could easily get to the point that you would just drop anyone with a gun in their tracks rather than risk putting up with any more BS, and others might do the same? All of this hypothetical but I think appearance could be really important.

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I figure it's going to be impossible to not run into other people if it actually came to bugging out. Some of those people will not know you're even there, and there will be people that see you and you won't know they are there. I also wonder how others, and even myself, will react to running across other people while bugging out. I would probably invite a Mormon, Mennonite, Amish, priest, or orthodox Jew to dinner because it would be the right thing to do, and I would easily be able to tell they weren't a threat. I'm not sure how I would react to seeing someone armed to the teeth but I almost certainly wouldn't invite them to dinner simply because they could be a threat. I'm also not sure how I would react to someone that appeared to be an obvious threat such as someone wearing a Hell's Angels jacket or someone flashing gang signs. I'm assuming that others would react similarly to myself, and based on how I might react, I wouldn't want to appear to be an obvious threat to anyone. At the same time I wouldn't want to appear to be an easy target either or supply depot either.

There's also no telling how any of us would react after meeting a few punks. It could easily get to the point that you would just drop anyone with a gun in their tracks rather than risk putting up with any more BS, and others might do the same? All of this hypothetical but I think appearance could be really important.
It would be a difficult situation for sure. But in some cases it might be a good idea to travel with a partner armed as well as you. But trust would be an issue. Maybe we should start some sort of group and git some sort of visible mark so you know they are in the group. You got swat cia FDA .... The list goes on and on why not a doomsday task force or something lol
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Mutual aid group is a nice, non threatening name for what you are describing. No?

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Mutual aid group is a nice, non threatening name for what you are describing. No?
Sign me up. I can get a few others around me in it i do believe.

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is this what you're thinking of?

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is this what you're thinking of?
Yea that's it lol we could build a moat. Jk
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What about a light day packer bag? On the cheap.

Something like this: http://airsoft-club.com/shop/tactical-gear/bag-case/gun-bag-case/tactical-molle-patrol-rifle-gear-backpack-black
Or this: http://airsoft-club.com/shop/tactical-gear/bag-case/backpack/molle-patrol-series-rifle-gear-backpack-coyote-brown

They are airsoft products but but look decent for the price. Apparently it they will even take a camelback. Comes in black, coyote brown, od green, and multi camo.

Finding bags that will hold rifles is harder than I thought.

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So I ended up getting a large ALICE pack at the surplus store. It isn't ideal IMHO, but the price, at $12.00 was right. There were some very nice bags by Condor, but they were in the $120 price range.
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It doesn't have separate compartments, for gear storage, but by putting items in zip lock bags, I managed to keep it very organized.
It also doesn't have a waist strap, but neither did the 2 backpacks I was carrying before.
There are 3 large external pockets, which I like. One pocket is large enough to carry 100 rounds of .45 ammo, and 4 magazines with magazine holders.
The shoulder straps don't have webbing to clip stuff onto, which I liked. I will figure a way around this.
There is webbing on the sides of the bag, and it fits my folding shovel perfectly, as if were designed to carry a shovel.

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The price was right, and the side webbing for the shovel was the deal maker for me. It is camouflaged, which is a plus, and it is rather comfortable to wear. I have to say it is a good bag so far, and genuine surplus, so it seems much more durable than the cheap India/Chinese crap. For example, the shoulder straps are sewn into the bag at another webbing, not just some single stitch directly onto the nylon, which never lasts.
While not ideal, and required re-designing the way I packed my gear, for $12.00 I am happy thus far, and would recommend to others.

FYI, my gear weighs in at a little over 50 lbs, minus the rifle, but including ammo.
My bug out situation would be different than others here, so a good deal of gear is needed, and can increase depending on the seasons.
Hope the mini-review helped.

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Can you put a rifle easily on the side of that pack?

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