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Old 04-25-2014, 10:57 PM   #101
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Any pack of industrial razor blades, dental floss, and needles will do. You will need to sharpen sewing needles with a file. Then boil everything first.

There are med supplies stores where you can buy scalpels, suture kits, etc. Google is your friend.

Generally outside of a hospital you are not going to want to stitch anything up except an artery. Everything else will heal on its own in an open wound configuration, as long as you rinse it out a lot with clean water.

Anyone knowing anything about surgery knows that already.
simply put, unless a person has some very extensive medical training in suturing arteries and other medical procedures, trying to do such things without that knowledge will lead to more problems than it fixes in the long run.

i am pretty sure outside of very few here, i doubt anyone else has any surgical training. and i don't care what you can buy on Ebay or anywhere else as far as surgical equipment, without the knowledge and training in using them, they are pretty much worthless to you.

having the tools to do a job doesn't qualify you to do that job.
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Any chance you can provide a link to a small surgical kit? I was having trouble finding a decent one.

I will look on their website. I was noting it from Their Catalog

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simply put, unless a person has some very extensive medical training in suturing arteries and other medical procedures, trying to do such things without that knowledge will lead to more problems than it fixes in the long run.



i am pretty sure outside of very few here, i doubt anyone else has any surgical training. and i don't care what you can buy on Ebay or anywhere else as far as surgical equipment, without the knowledge and training in using them, they are pretty much worthless to you.



having the tools to do a job doesn't qualify you to do that job.

Correct. Even though I have EMT A and B, and AFA courses. I would never do it unless it's a Dire Emergency...



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Correct. Even though I have EMT A and B, and AFA courses. I would never do it unless it's a Dire Emergency...



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exactly! unless someone has extensive medical training, they ain't stitching on me, no matter how much medical gear they have they bought off Ebay!

i'll take my chances without their help.
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Correct. Even though I have EMT A and B, and AFA courses. I would never do it unless it's a Dire Emergency...



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The salient point being, that if it IS a dire emergency, you are going to need to do it -- no choice.

So you need to have the gear to do it ...

-- dental floss

-- needle

-- file to sharpen the needle.
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The salient point being, that if it IS a dire emergency, you are going to need to do it -- no choice.

So you need to have the gear to do it ...

-- dental floss

-- needle

-- file to sharpen the needle.
so are you capable of suturing an artery or a vein?

what are your medical qualifications?

just how many arteries or veins have you sutured? how many times have you sutured anything on a person?
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so are you capable of suturing an artery or a vein?

what are your medical qualifications?

just how many arteries or veins have you sutured? how many times have you sutured anything on a person?
I think we are mostly talking about a "without rule of law" scenario. If my brother was bleeding out, and doctors were non existent, id sure as hell do anything I could to stop it, including tying off an artery if I could. This is absolute dead bottom worst case scenario. I'm not about to come upon a car accident and start sewing profusely bleeding wounds just because I "think I might be able to". We are talking the last line of care if you are beyond help from a doctor or medical professional. Check out the two books "ditch medicine" and "where there are no doctors". Pretty good reads and some interesting stuff on medicine in the field.
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I think we are mostly talking about a "without rule of law" scenario. If my brother was bleeding out, and doctors were non existent, id sure as hell do anything I could to stop it, including tying off an artery if I could. This is absolute dead bottom worst case scenario. I'm not about to come upon a car accident and start sewing profusely bleeding wounds just because I "think I might be able to". We are talking the last line of care if you are beyond help from a doctor or medical professional. Check out the two books "ditch medicine" and "where there are no doctors". Pretty good reads and some interesting stuff on medicine in the field.
rule of law has nothing to do with the questions i posed. nor does it change the answers to the questions i posed.

so answer the questions i posed. then tell me if you think your brother is going to survive after you have answered those questions.

same scenario and it was my brother, yes, i would try to save his life, but the reality and i know it, he probably going to die. i don't like it one bit, but i accept it as a fact of life.
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I think we are mostly talking about a "without rule of law" scenario. If my brother was bleeding out, and doctors were non existent, id sure as hell do anything I could to stop it, including tying off an artery if I could. This is absolute dead bottom worst case scenario. I'm not about to come upon a car accident and start sewing profusely bleeding wounds just because I "think I might be able to". We are talking the last line of care if you are beyond help from a doctor or medical professional. Check out the two books "ditch medicine" and "where there are no doctors". Pretty good reads and some interesting stuff on medicine in the field.
Exactly. Not only your brother, but your wife, your sister, your kid, and the stranger within your gates.
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