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Old 03-14-2009, 02:07 AM   #101
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screen doors and submarines????

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Old 03-14-2009, 04:42 AM   #103
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for those of us that reload and keep a healthy stock . what about the 30 cal
carbine. light ammo , carry extra mags, low recoil, really no bigger than a ruger 10/22.

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Frankly, no. If it's not in military or police armories (ie, 9mm, 223, or 308), or in every farmer's closet (ie, 22lr) then it's a bad idea. Not having rapidfire is a bad idea. Not being concealable (taken down) is a bad idea. Not having a flashhider is a bad idea. Not being able to snipe to 1/4 mile is a bad idea. Not being lw enough to let you carry it, a pack, and your toddler (or help a loved one walk, etc) is a bad idea. Not having luminous sight inserts, a QD, return to zero scope, (with a "see thru tunnel under the scope for iron sight use) a bipod and sling (which don't affect POI when used) all bad ideas. Not having a chromed chamber and bore, bad idea. Not having a dark, corrosion resistant finish, bad idea. Not being very easy to disassemble and clean (in the field) bad idea. Not having a great trigger pull (drop in parts) bad idea.

So it soon comes down to only military autos that have a .22 conversion unit. FAL, HK, AR, AK (not .20 AK, either, because it won't let you fire .22lr thru it).

The .22 mag lacks a subsonic load, for use with a suppressor, lacks nearly all of the above points, and doesn't have the range or stopping power that you'd better have. It's got 350 ft lbs, which is what a 5" 9mm's got. Whoopee, right?
You're nuts to think that you need such a gun, you aren't also highly likely to need rapidfire, (ie, vs dog packs, rabid animal, or men, to stop a fleeing cripple, to hit other animals.) and won't have armed men trying to kill you, because they don't want your competition, because they want your stuff, or just because they can. A sound suppressor is a huge help, not only to keep other men off of your back, but also to not scare off other game.

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Are we talking about a "survival situation", or general SHTF rifle. They are two different sets of requirements.

A survival rifle is for carrying on journeys in case you have trouble and have to survive for an indeterminent time. I carry a break down version of the 10-22 with a cantilever scope minted on the barrel. Adequate for taking small game and keeping me alive until rescue arrives. I'd probably prefer the 22-mag, but I carry what I own.

For a SHTF rifle an AR platform in either 5.56 or 308. The 5.56 allows you to fire both the .223 and the 5.56, the 223 is more likely to be available. The 308 will also be readily available.

Second choice would be the venerable BAR in 30-06, which will also have readily available ammo in the western US.


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in the lower 48 states there is NO SUCH THING anymore as a "survival situation" that requires a hunting type longarm, but not a fighting arm. Normally, all that's required is the same EDC that you need in the city. :-)

The weight and bulk of the longarm, if you DID need longterm flesh gathering ability, is better spend on snares, fiberglass wire mesh (for box traps, fish traps), Conibears, gill nets made from monofilament line, trotlines, etc. They will be FAR more likely to feed you (well enough) than any gun. You'll need 10 lbs of animals/fish per day when you are stressed,and you are most unlikely to get that with a gun, on a regular basis. doing so is a kid's fantasy, and that's all it is.


Normally, all that you need to do is climb the tallest thing around you, at night, look for lights. Mark the direction, and next dawn, proceed in that direction. Lights can be seen for 30 miles or more. It might take you 3 days, but you don't need food for 5 days (or more) of HARD pushing or 3 weeks of just lying around. the lights might "only" be the headlights of passing cars, but if you pile stuff on the road, cars can be MADE to stop. :-)

If you can't travel, HOW is a longarm going to be of any help, hmm? What you needed to have done, dummy, was tell somebody where you were going and when you'd be back in touch, and rented a satellite phone (ie, $100 per month or less). failing that, you need to keep a smoky fire going during the day. Do that for 3-4 days, and SOMEBODY will be coming to check out your fire.


so if it's longarm time, it will be shtf, and you'll need a silencer, luminous sights, and rapidfire military rifle, unless you're in Alaska, Canada or the third world. Really remote places don't exist in the lower 48 states anymore.

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in the lower 48 states there is NO SUCH THING anymore as a "survival situation" that requires a hunting type longarm, but not a fighting arm. Normally, all that's required is the same EDC that you need in the city. :-)

The weight and bulk of the longarm, if you DID need longterm flesh gathering ability, is better spend on snares, fiberglass wire mesh (for box traps, fish traps), Conibears, gill nets made from monofilament line, trotlines, etc. They will be FAR more likely to feed you (well enough) than any gun. You'll need 10 lbs of animals/fish per day when you are stressed,and you are most unlikely to get that with a gun, on a regular basis. doing so is a kid's fantasy, and that's all it is.


Normally, all that you need to do is climb the tallest thing around you, at night, look for lights. Mark the direction, and next dawn, proceed in that direction. Lights can be seen for 30 miles or more. It might take you 3 days, but you don't need food for 5 days (or more) of HARD pushing or 3 weeks of just lying around. the lights might "only" be the headlights of passing cars, but if you pile stuff on the road, cars can be MADE to stop. :-)

If you can't travel, HOW is a longarm going to be of any help, hmm? What you needed to have done, dummy, was tell somebody where you were going and when you'd be back in touch, and rented a satellite phone (ie, $100 per month or less). failing that, you need to keep a smoky fire going during the day. Do that for 3-4 days, and SOMEBODY will be coming to check out your fire.


so if it's longarm time, it will be shtf, and you'll need a silencer, luminous sights, and rapidfire military rifle, unless you're in Alaska, Canada or the third world. Really remote places don't exist in the lower 48 states anymore.
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in the lower 48 states there is NO SUCH THING anymore as a "survival situation" that requires a hunting type longarm, but not a fighting arm. Normally, all that's required is the same EDC that you need in the city. :-)



The weight and bulk of the longarm, if you DID need longterm flesh gathering ability, is better spend on snares, fiberglass wire mesh (for box traps, fish traps), Conibears, gill nets made from monofilament line, trotlines, etc. They will be FAR more likely to feed you (well enough) than any gun. You'll need 10 lbs of animals/fish per day when you are stressed,and you are most unlikely to get that with a gun, on a regular basis. doing so is a kid's fantasy, and that's all it is.





Normally, all that you need to do is climb the tallest thing around you, at night, look for lights. Mark the direction, and next dawn, proceed in that direction. Lights can be seen for 30 miles or more. It might take you 3 days, but you don't need food for 5 days (or more) of HARD pushing or 3 weeks of just lying around. the lights might "only" be the headlights of passing cars, but if you pile stuff on the road, cars can be MADE to stop. :-)



If you can't travel, HOW is a longarm going to be of any help, hmm? What you needed to have done, dummy, was tell somebody where you were going and when you'd be back in touch, and rented a satellite phone (ie, $100 per month or less). failing that, you need to keep a smoky fire going during the day. Do that for 3-4 days, and SOMEBODY will be coming to check out your fire.





so if it's longarm time, it will be shtf, and you'll need a silencer, luminous sights, and rapidfire military rifle, unless you're in Alaska, Canada or the third world. Really remote places don't exist in the lower 48 states anymore.

I live near, and work in and frequently fly over the Frank Church Wilderness.
Look at a night satellite picture of the US at night. It is a black area larger the many eastern states. Many areas of the western US contain areas that are vast and free of development.

There is not a light or person for a hundred miles of rugged territory.


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I was wondering the same thing. Neighbors possibly? The same person?!?!?!
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I was wondering the same thing. Neighbors possibly? The same person?!?!?!
brothers of a different mother possibly!

as Uanda never made it to the Introductions section and gave us any information on his background or any other pertinent details, the guy is pretty much a virtual mystery.

some of his posts really come off as juvenile and immature ramblings with not really any cohesive manner in them.
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