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Old 07-26-2013, 01:01 AM   #181
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Exactly. I only WISH I were half as experienced and BA as he says he is.
then we would upgrade your status to mall ninja!
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Exactly. I only WISH I were half as experienced and BA as he says he is.
Maybe he's the long lost 5th member of "the A-Team"
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Such a coveted position... I can only dream...
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Must be. That's the only thing that makes sense.
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we bestow it upon you with respect and much humor! JK!!!
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JW357,

I do not doubt you carried 80-100 pounds of gear or more in Afghanistan and Iraq over rough terrain, but to imply that a Marine is a "normal" American, with respect to physical fitness, is stretching reality a little.

Most Americans I see are carrying an extra 20 pounds along with them that's not doing them any good and those are the ones that aren't "overweight" according to whatever BS medical standards were developed for height/body mass.

So, while you may think carrying 80 pounds for 20 miles is "normal", I guarantee you that more than 50% of civilians aren't going to make it 10 miles with 40 pounds. Also, while you would have the discipline to carry as much as you could to assist with your survival, most Americans are not conditioned to do things that are uncomfortable, let alone painful.

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I do not doubt you carried 80-100 pounds of gear or more in Afghanistan and Iraq over rough terrain, but to imply that a Marine is a "normal" American, with respect to physical fitness, is stretching reality a little.

Most Americans I see are carrying an extra 20 pounds along with them that's not doing them any good and those are the ones that aren't "overweight" according to whatever BS medical standards were developed for height/body mass.

So, while you may think carrying 80 pounds for 20 miles is "normal", I guarantee you that more than 50% of civilians aren't going to make it 10 miles with 40 pounds. Also, while you would have the discipline to carry as much as you could to assist with your survival, most Americans are not conditioned to do things that are uncomfortable, let alone painful.
Can't argue with that. You're right on every point.

But I still maintain, when faced with a situation where the individual is faced with his death, he will do extraordinary things.

And by the way, yes I am a Marine. But I don't want to mislead anyone - I haven't deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, but I of course know too many people to count who have. I've been trained by those who have. The longest "hump" I personally have been on is about 20 miles with 80 lbs of gear. I'm not an infantryman, but those guys go further with that.

I'm not necessarily advocating for a civilian to start walking around with 100 lbs of extra gear for 20 miles. I just think most people could do it if their life depended on it.

Gosh you're much easier to have a conversation with than Mr. Mall Ninja up there.
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Can't argue with that. You're right on every point.

But I still maintain, when faced with a situation where the individual is faced with his death, he will do extraordinary things.

And by the way, yes I am a Marine. But I don't want to mislead anyone - I haven't deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, but I of course know too many people to count who have. I've been trained by those who have. The longest "hump" I personally have been on is about 20 miles with 80 lbs of gear. I'm not an infantryman, but those guys go further with that.

I'm not necessarily advocating for a civilian to start walking around with 100 lbs of extra gear for 20 miles. I just think most people could do it if their life depended on it.

Gosh you're much easier to have a conversation with than Mr. Mall Ninja up there.
JW, some people also have the instinct to survive at all costs and when faced with adverse conditions, they will do what they normally wouldn't. even if they couldn't pack 100 lbs. of gear on their back, they might come up with ways to improvise to be able to have what they need to survive.
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JW, some people also have the instinct to survive at all costs and when faced with adverse conditions, they will do what they normally wouldn't. even if they couldn't pack 100 lbs. of gear on their back, they might come up with ways to improvise to be able to have what they need to survive.
Agreed. A very valid point.
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Agreed. A very valid point.
case in point, the man who was hiking a couple of years ago and fell into a ravine with a rock crushing and capturing his hand or arm and he amputated it and crawled out to be found. IIRC, they even made a movie about it too.

that took some fortitude and the huge dose of the will to live and survive.
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