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Old 05-05-2012, 07:47 PM   #21
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Found the company I was thinking of earlier. Like anything custom, they can cost a pretty penny, but from what I've seen of the finished product, they're worth it and more.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:44 PM   #22
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Look, a .223 seems great for a single overall cartridge for survival but a .308 in some circumstances might be right up there. As a survival gun I'm torn in many directons but, depending on what I think the circumstances are, if it isn't an AR (where defense would be a, if not THE, key element of my concerns) it would probably be one of these .22 Mag based guns:


Ruger All-Weather .22 Mag. bolt.

Takedown pump-action .22 Mag (in the car anyway).

Savage 24* .22 Mag/20 ga. break-action. While a great multi-purpose-gun-in-one, with its length and weight you do NOT wanna carry this thing around (the heavy barrels should be 5-1/2" shorter).

Ruta Locura PRK .22 Mag (15 oz. folding single shot backpacking gun)


.410 is a poor survival cartridge in many respects -- they have too little energy (equal to that of a .357 Mag in general) for the size and weight.


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Old 05-05-2012, 09:10 PM   #23
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Hockalouis:

I have a Rossi pump in 22 LR, how's the accuracy in 22 Mag ?

I ordered the Savage 24 in your exact configuration but FFL holder had it sent to wrong address. It's now like the "one that got away..." I seem to recall it had 24" barrels. The combo rifle doesn't get the respect it deserves. A lot of Alaskan Pilots owe their lives to these firearms.

The 22 LR vs 22 Mag debate is legendary but IMHO the 22 M wins the day when it comes to survival.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:35 PM   #24
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Default 22 Mag -- Twice As Nice At Twice The Price

The accuracy is addequate in the Rossi -- what you'd expect in a late 1800's designed gallery gun. Mine is customized from a 10+1 22" to a stiffer 18-1/2". Henry makes a respected 12+1 19-3/4" .22 Mag pump today that does not take down.

Don't fret over the .22 Mag/20 ga. Savage 24 too much -- it really is big n heavy. Who really needs a 24" heavy-barreled 20 ga.? It's like from a Mossberg 590 A1!

The .22 LR, the weakest cartridge commonly around that too many novices parrot each other and swear by, has half the power of a .22 Mag with about the same size, noise, and weight. The .22 Mag rifle has the same energy as a .44 Special handgun at the muzzle and the same energy at 100 yards that a .22 LR has at the muzzle. Many would be comfortable firing a .22 LR in a .22 Mag chambered gun in a pinch too. In the end, no, they really can't be compared, no.

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.223s are pretty wicked, too. You can buy a 100 box of Federal for pretty cheap, and they got enough energy for a lot of purposes. I wouldn't try to stop a bear with one, but if you're just trying to survive, they'd get you a pretty long way.
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Although not really considered high power the 22lr is what I would consider best choice. The ammo is cheap and plentiful, should not be difficult for anyone to stock pile plenty of it. Also if it came down to searching homes for more it would more than likely also be the most plentiful. Almost everyone who enjoys shooting has a 22 . They can deliver lots of small game and varmints for eating. They do however lack the power for large game but not impossible.
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yes i have marlin .22 mag and ,22 lr as well as revolver in .22 and .22 mag and semi auto .22 lr i agree i hunt with those guns for varmints just fine but i started this thread as a HIGH powerd rifel capable of taking down 2 legged mammal to a deer now i do deer hunt i do have a 30 30 and a 12 guage with slugs thats about all i have knowelege with i was looking for something with a good high power with being capable of taking down at long distances
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yes i have marlin .22 mag and ,22 lr as well as revolver in .22 and .22 mag and semi auto .22 lr i agree i hunt with those guns for varmints just fine but i started this thread as a HIGH powerd rifel capable of taking down 2 legged mammal to a deer now i do deer hunt i do have a 30 30 and a 12 guage with slugs thats about all i have knowelege with i was looking for something with a good high power with being capable of taking down at long distances
You asked about best survival rifle primarily, right. If not a .22 Mag or .223 (maybe with 62 grain bullets) for survival overall, then the .308. There can be little debate about this.

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yes i have marlin .22 mag and ,22 lr as well as revolver in .22 and .22 mag and semi auto .22 lr i agree i hunt with those guns for varmints just fine but i started this thread as a HIGH powerd rifel capable of taking down 2 legged mammal to a deer now i do deer hunt i do have a 30 30 and a 12 guage with slugs thats about all i have knowelege with i was looking for something with a good high power with being capable of taking down at long distances
if you want a longer distance round than the 30-30 than go with the 308. longer distances mean more time behind the trigger. the 308 is about the cheapest and most commonly available other than the 30-06. but the 308 is a little gentler in recoil vs. the 30-06. the 30-06 has an edge in ballistics when you start using heavier bullets due to the case size and powder capacity to be able to push the heavier bullets. either one will reach way further than the 223 will and still have plenty of power. another consideration to keep in mind, if wanting to use it for deer or game hunting, check your states game regulations, as some states have minimum caliber requirements and don't allow even centerfire 22 caliber firing firearms to be used.
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i said best High Powerd survivle rifel to me a .22 is not high powered
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