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Old 07-02-2013, 03:33 PM   #31
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A good book to read on this subject is "Going Home" by A American. I bought it from for my Kindle on PC from amazon for about 4 bucks. Good read from a first time author.

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I work 65 miles away from my house. That's why a carry a "get home" bag in my car. I actually carry three bags: my official "get home" bag with survival gear; a backpack with stuff I find handy on a day to day basis; and a bag with three days worth of clothes and other items. I would sort through all three bags to combine what I felt to be most useful depending on the circumstances to fit into my ghb and my backpack. Hit the vending machines in the building for water and snacks, just in case I had trouble finding them later. Walk to the second hand store about a mile away from my office and hope to find a bicycle; if not, keep my eye out for one on my way home that I could beg, borrow, or buy. Make my way home as best I can. I'm assuming three days to get home; maybe 2 if everything goes well, but it's been years (and years and years) since I've walked 25 miles in one day.

Once home I have food and other supplies to last four people at least three months. We have a well, and there are natural springs within a couple of miles I know the location on. I have a reasonable supply of ammo for my guns.

Meet with my neighbors (live in semi-rural area), and try to pool our strengths -- make a loose association. If the right time of year start planting garden.

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I was looking at some posts on FB from a friend in Vegas and shuddered at the thought of an EMP knocking out the power mid-summer there.. I think the best option in that scenario would be an immediate bullet to the head!

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I was looking at some posts on FB from a friend in Vegas and shuddered at the thought of an EMP knocking out the power mid-summer there.. I think the best option in that scenario would be an immediate bullet to the head!
I could easily live here without air conditioning. Air conditioning is a rather modern invention(less than 100 years). Many would feel they couldn't go on if they lost their smart phone. You are either a survivor or your not. If the grid ever goes down for an extended period the non-survivors will all die out.
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I could easily live here without air conditioning. Air conditioning is a rather modern invention(less than 100 years). Many would feel they couldn't go on if they lost their smart phone. You are either a survivor or your not. If the grid ever goes down for an extended period the non-survivors will all die out.
I am thinking of the huge number of tourists in Vegas, all of them packed into casinos that rely on huge amounts of electricity, which is suddenly gone. Temperatures inside the casinos would immediately begin to rise and people would start spilling out onto the streets (that is if they could find the exits in the absolute pitch blackness that would result when all power went out.)

That is a lot of humanity out in the desert sun. They would start dying off rather quickly causing a stench that would kill off the survivors!
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Well,

If an EMP event transpired, we actually have about 6 months of food and water now thanks to my wife's prodigious food purchasing habits. The overwhelming majority of it is shelf stable stuff.

As far as guns, ammo, knives, and the like, I think we're good.

I would go crazy about a month after the event because I wouldn't have anymore Marlboro Red's.

We've experienced a summer here in Houston without AC and were without power for over a month. It wasn't great fun, but the kids didn't seem to mind too much.

Although we have a small pharmacy, all of that stuff lasts longer at room temperature.

We have basic medical supplies, but no IV's or antibiotics. Any infection would be a real problem.

My wife walking 25+ miles home from work in a Texas summer would likely be a death sentence. I'm thinking a folding bicycle or mini scooter is in her near future.

I normally work from home, but if I were on the west coast or east coast for work, I would not be able to make it home.

Basically, our chances of long term survival are not good at the moment because we don't have a farm and don't have much in the way of alternate transportation.

Short term or localized disasters are easier to survive. An EMP would be a catastrophic event.

The world's present population is only supportable with modern farming implements, massive amounts of petrochemicals, computerized inventory optimization and tracking, a sophisticated communications infrastructure, and modern medicine. No electrical power of any kind means we're pretty much back in the stone age.

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Be honest with what your currently prepared for if this happened today . I dont want to see someone saying they have 365 days worth of food and water if they truly dont have it stashed away and in their possession . Copy and paste and plug away everyone .
I will do the same and post it up
I'd be alright once I got home I think, problem is... Home is a 32 mile walk
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Two problems exist here. EMP, whether sun flare or nuclear weapon generated, places an electrical charge simultaneously on everything conductive. This has the effect of frying all of the junctions, electrodes, diodes and other parts that cannot drain the excess energy. It has nothing to do with being plugged into the grid or your generator. Any electronic device not in a Faraday cage CAN be fried by EMP, depending on your distance from the blast, even if its unplugged. By the way, all-metal file cabinets can serve as a Faraday cage with some upgrading. No need to get too fancy.

Almost everyone mentioned hunting and fishing. However, during the Great Depression, everyone had the same idea and in many areas the animal population was hunted and fished to extinction. That was with a much smaller population than we have now. Also, most people do not know how to butcher an animal correctly nor preserve the meat without refrigeration. Most meat will go bad before being consumed and the over-hunting and over-fishing will leave a nearly barren wasteland as humans fight for dwindling food resources. Don't believe it? One poster here said he would shoot and eat his neighbor's horses. That is a realist. Get used to your neighbors stealing your chickens and shooting your dog for food.

Start all over and think like a SURVIVOR. Your neighbors may be your friends...or they may not. What happens at the end of one month when your neighbors are out of food and you're not? Do you share and dwindle your supplies helping them? What about your clean water stores? If you have the last water filter, do you give it to the community? There are many hard questions to answer to determine whether just your family survives or if the whole community goes down together.

The Federal Government estimates that 90% of the population will die in a 3-6 month period of an EMP if there is no intervention by them. This may be enough that they will instate Marshall Law and suspend our Constitution. Your weapons will be taken for your safety. This is another small monkey wrench no one considers.

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I would go crazy about a month after the event because I wouldn't have anymore Marlboro Red's.
You like those check out the site smokersoutlet and look for an injector, some Beretta tubes, and Smnokin G MRD blend. The red Hot Rod Filter tubes are pretty good for that too and are cheaper. THey call all the tobacco pipe tobacco due to some law passed about net shopping for cigarettes.

I've been making my own for a while and spend all of just under 10 bucks a carton. Most bulk tobacco is chemical free too. I but a few pounds of tobacco and boxes of filter tubes at a time. Shipping is a little high there so it pays to buy a lot.
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Many think in a SHTF situation that there would be no rule of law. While that is one possibility, it is just as likely we would have martial law. A likely scenario under martial law would be all weapons seized, all travel outlawed without a special permit, no non-government approved communications of any kind, all population moved to easily controlled areas.

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