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Old 08-10-2011, 02:57 AM   #11
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I wouldn't count on 223 for any type of bear. 44 mag is a much better option but I still wouldn't count on that if we're talking brown bear. A grizz is a tough animal and I would use a 44 mag as a minimum. I would prefer a lever gun in 45-70 or a similar caliber. They are light, easy to carry, point well and follow up shots are quick.....how do you lose?

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I am hunting. Small game with my .223 when a grizzly threatens me. Do I use my .223, my 44 S&W, or my pepper spray? [Please answer only if you have actual bear or hog experience with .223, 44mag, or pepper. Üninformed opinions and guesses do no help me!]
.44, especially if it has hollow points. I'd recommend a 300 Ultra Mag, though.
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Default reality bites....somtimes really hard useing its sharp claws

The reality of shooting bears is when you shoot one static in a unexcited state most anything will do when placed correctly, BUT when you introduce adrineline to ther system (Surprise surprise surprise!) you have the incredible hulk on your hands and a hollow point is not going to sail through the bear flesh as it did when calm it went from mild Iowa corn fed angus beef consistancy to gristle and sandbags roveing bunker on legs looking to take you out reguardless of ther own survival in the time it takes that hormone to hit the bloodstream, The world over they have proven you need solids to get one in the boiler plant, the hollow point is going to open to soon and dump its energy well short of the vitals area.
use a very big projectile and bore a very big hole useing the mass the slug to tear and bash thats the only way (over kill to do the job safely)
I recomend reading this book its pretty informative and entertaining as well.
Frank dealt with bears during the 1910's and 1920's during the height of the market hunting days (road commission meat hunter)and his experences shooting bears... for a living.
Amazon.com: Alaska's Wolf Man: The 1915-55 Wilderness Adventures of Frank Glaser (9781575100470): Jim Rearden: Books

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Dump the .223 and .44 Mag. for this critter and get a .12 guage slug gun.

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Default Meat quality

Have you ever noticed the quality of meat once the trigger has been pulled?

while admrable a running shot is not ideal from a meat stand point, the animal is excited and the adrinalin has hit the blood which boosts musle power in a fight or flight circumstance but makes the meat very very tough.

Why do you think meatprocessing plants use a stunner gun on critters and bleed em out instead??

I guess that goes for Bears and other critters like Moose you get them all riled up it makes them harder ta kill and tougher ta chew.

Like I said earler when hunting and you shoot your bear all relaxd you have a very good chance of a 1 shot kill (within reason) take that same bear and put him on a willow patch next to his kill and you come waltzing along the game trail (most likely a bear path)with your 454casull mag strapped ta your belt that riled bear has the edge I give ya a 1 in 6 chance of you crawling away, Bears in willows is a very bad place to be, its there terf and a 3" willow isnt more a hindernce to a bear than brome grass to a school girl, With Bears its good to live and breathe avoidance as much as possible, You can find trouble where ever you live wither in South Side Chicago, North Side Omaha, the same goes for the wilds as well, this crazy talk of strapping a magnum horse pistol to your belt and walking fearlessly through bear habatat is like like grabbing your 1911 with one mag and walking through the headquarters of the local Crips gang saying your prepaird, if you know the 411 on trouble you can for the most part avoid it and make it home just fine in one piece, carelessness can get ya killed wither the CopperRiver willows the Ice jumble along shore or 10th and L street.

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Whatever you use, deader bears are better bears.

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44mag definatly, the 223 will just make it mad unless you have time to aim and the pepper will just make him mad also.

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Our mother is having some bear problems at our place in Lake Tahoe. Were having a Remington 870 12 guage slug gun radically cut down to fit her small stature. Also were adding a muzzel brake to it for felt recoil reduction for her.

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I recomend reading this book its pretty informative and entertaining as well.
Frank dealt with bears during the 1910's and 1920's during the height of the market hunting days (road commission meat hunter)and his experences shooting bears... for a living.
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+1, it's a really good book.
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What about using an ar15 with 5.56 M855 steel core rounds?

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