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Old 09-20-2013, 05:46 PM   #61
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I didn't say I was deer hunting when I saw the ballistic tip fragment on a small limb. I made it clear in my earlier posts I have given up on deer hunting 30 years ago with a pea shooter.

While I was squirrel hunting I have literally killed dozens of deer with a 22LR and 22WMR but I sure don't consider either to be a deer cartridge. Everyone of those deer were taken at very close range with a head shot. This is the technique you should be using with a 223.

You might not think hunting with dogs is ethical. Millions of hunters across the southeast disagree with you. Farmers who let us hunt thousands of acres of land for free think dog hunting is the best thing since sliced bread.

In fact, at one time or another most of the farmers who let us hunt their land have leased land to stand hunters. The end result was the farmer getting a permit to kill 100's of deer that he had to leave laying in the field. A kill permit is not an extended deer season so none of the deer are legally taken out of the field. You can take deer killed with a kill permit during open deer season.

An adequate caliber will drop a deer dead in his tracks, even when being run by dogs. In the event things go awry and believe me they will, an adequate caliber will either knock the deer down or slow it down enough for a follow up shot.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/bad_deer_cartridges.htm

http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/blogs/daniel-schmidts-whitetail-wisdom/whats-the-best-caliber-for-deer-hunting

http://www.imbmonsterbucks.com/info.php?id=150
Living and Hunting in a dog hunting area of NC I know a lot of dog hunters. It is more of a dove hunt type setting which i don not mind. What kills me is the clubs that think they have the right to run on private property because thats what they have allways done. Dog hunting has done more to divide the NC hunting community than anything else and due the lack of consideration for posted land. Back to the original topic I like the 62 grain Federal Fusion. A .223 is all you need if you are not shooting at a deer being chased by a pack of dogs across a beanfield. I have seen boobs loose deer doghunting that were shot in the "boiler room" by 300 WSM and 7mm Rem Mags. It is all about placement.
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the "bread basket" is the stomach

the heart/lung area of which you speak is " the boiler room"

use correct terminology

speaking from experience.........i have shot a dozen whitetails in the boiler room at 25-250 yards with a 62gr sp .223 in which ALL fell dead in their tracks. ADEQUATE
Haha! I've seen some people call the head a "breadbasket" too. Where can I find this official terminology so I don't make a similar mistake. I'm sure it would be quite entertaining. :P
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Living and Hunting in a dog hunting area of NC I know a lot of dog hunters. It is more of a dove hunt type setting which i don not mind. What kills me is the clubs that think they have the right to run on private property because thats what they have allways done. Dog hunting has done more to divide the NC hunting community than anything else and due the lack of consideration for posted land. Back to the original topic I like the 62 grain Federal Fusion. A .223 is all you need if you are not shooting at a deer being chased by a pack of dogs across a beanfield. I have seen boobs loose deer doghunting that were shot in the "boiler room" by 300 WSM and 7mm Rem Mags. It is all about placement.
It is a 2 way street. I bought 8 registered field trial beagles that walk behind the the game they are tracking. They got onto private property. The property owner shot all 8 of my beagles. I called the sheriffs department to to get a deputy to go with me to get my dogs. These idiots threw down on the us when we were escorted by a deputy sheriff. They went to prison for shooting my dogs and throwing down on us.

I paid $8k for those dogs. Everyone of them had a field trial champion on both sides of their pedigree. I have 5 dogs from the same place now. When we are using walking beagles, no one can say we aren't doing all we can to control the dogs. The group that shot my dogs had control of 40 acres in that block of woods. We have written permission to hunt over 2,500 acres of land in that block of woods.
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I agree there are terds everywhere. I am know its not the dogs fault for trespassing and you sound like a responsible guy. I dont know if you are familiar with the Warren/Halifax county area but most of the dog hunters here use Walkers which cover a lot more ground a lot faster than a beagle. I have hunted with beagles in cutovers and had a blast but they are controllable. I manage private land for my hunting and I dont mind if a dog occasionally crosses but when I see ruts in food plots and cut cables it infuriates me.

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Anybody have any experience with .223 Barnes VOR-TX and white tails?

223 REM
WGT. 55 GR
BULLET TYPE TSX
VELOCITY 3240FPS

It's mentioned in this article:

http://www.americanhunter.org/mobile/blog.php?id=21670&cid=56
"The Myth: The .223 is too Light for Deer"

And I just bought a box. I'm in the habit of buying 1 box of ammo every paycheck and this stuff was all the store had. Deer season is coming up and the new hunting lease has a few stands where the trusty old 870 just won't cut it. Should I grab something with bonded bear claw or nosler partitions instead?

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The Federal fusion ammo is hands down the best 223 ammo that I have personally found for shooting deer. That's not to say there aren't better rounds out there, but once I found that round I stopped looking. Haven't had one take more than one or two steps when shot right behind the shoulder. The farthest I have shot deer at is 120 yards and it didn't take but one step and a jump. From where it was when hit to where I found it was 7 yards I think. The bullet had complete penetration.

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The Federal fusion ammo is hands down the best 223 ammo that I have personally found for shooting deer. That's not to say there aren't better rounds out there, but once I found that round I stopped looking. Haven't had one take more than one or two steps when shot right behind the shoulder. The farthest I have shot deer at is 120 yards and it didn't take but one step and a jump. From where it was when hit to where I found it was 7 yards I think. The bullet had complete penetration.
Do you reload?
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No, I do not reload. That was factory ammo out of a Mossberg MVP rifle with a 18.5" barrel.

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No, I do not reload. That was factory ammo out of a Mossberg MVP rifle with a 18.5" barrel.
If you ever start reloading look at Barnes TSX or Nosler Partitions.
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If you ever start reloading look at Barnes TSX or Nosler Partitions.
Federal and barnes offer quite a few different varieties of commercial ammo with those slugs. This info is in the article I posted earlier.

Federal Premium

55gr. Barnes Triple-Shock

3200 FPS

Federal Premium

60gr. Nosler Partition

3150 FPS

Federal Fusion

62gr. Fusion bonded

3000 FPS

Federal Premium

64gr. soft point

3000 FPS

Barnes Vor-Tx

55gr. Barnes Triple-Shock


3240 FPS

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55gr. Barnes Triple-Shock

3310s
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