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Old 09-13-2013, 01:34 PM   #31
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@Apex - I appreciate your concern and I am well aware of the ethics conversations that revolve around this topic, I have been reading them for months. I have also been practicing for quite a while well with shot placement on 6 to 8 in targets from 50 to 200 yards. I have no intention of taking shots further than 200 yards and I am only intending to take broadside shots. Lastly, I am not going at this alone, I am heading out with an experienced hunter who has been at this many seasons and knows the area we are going well. I consider myself a pretty "calculating" person and though I have never shot a deer before, I believe I have the presence of mind enough to know my abilities. Like I said I do appreciate your concern, but i also do believe I can do this as well.

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Can the .223 in a 62gr partition take whitetail? Yes. The issue is penetration over distance. Hit a rib, start tracking at 200 yards. If you look at the energy the bullet carrys at 100 yards, it is at the low end for whitetail. After that, not a great idea. Since most whatetail are harvested under 100 yards, you would be ok if you keep distance in mind.

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@Apex - I appreciate your concern and I am well aware of the ethics conversations that revolve around this topic, I have been reading them for months. I have also been practicing for quite a while well with shot placement on 6 to 8 in targets from 50 to 200 yards. I have no intention of taking shots further than 200 yards and I am only intending to take broadside shots. Lastly, I am not going at this alone, I am heading out with an experienced hunter who has been at this many seasons and knows the area we are going well. I consider myself a pretty "calculating" person and though I have never shot a deer before, I believe I have the presence of mind enough to know my abilities. Like I said I do appreciate your concern, but i also do believe I can do this as well.
As long as you know your limitations and those of your gear you are a step ahead of many hunter out there with larger calibers. I would add one more skill to your list and that is tracking, just in my experience smaller caliber tend to make smaller entry and exit wounds hence blood trailing can be significantly harder, smallest I have ever used is a 243 and that is getting pretty slim sometimes when trying to track in thick underbrush. Having good lighting handy can make life easier tracking in low light conditions.
One thing to note and I am not endorsing this but the most successful AR hunter I know (the only one I know personally who has not lost one yet) claims to take only neck shots.
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all but 30-06 hunter with 62 gr. sierra sps reloads (2600fps) 1-shot drops (inexperienced hunters)

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I prefer Remington 180 grain.

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I prefer Remington 180 grain.
So tell us about this 180 grain .223/.556 ammo......
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As I was surfing I ran across this article.

http://www.futurefirepower.com/myths-about-the-nato-556-cartridge

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Interesting article. I'm still not sure 5.56 would be my first choice for a hunting caliber. Will it work? Absolutely. Would I use it? Yes. But...we're still talking about a bullet that can hit you in the a$$ and come out your shoulder. A well placed shot on a deer could still potentially hit a rib and come out through the guts. Not exactly a perfect kill.
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Interesting article. I'm still not sure 5.56 would be my first choice for a hunting caliber. Will it work? Absolutely. Would I use it? Yes. But...we're still talking about a bullet that can hit you in the a$$ and come out your shoulder. A well placed shot on a deer could still potentially hit a rib and come out through the guts. Not exactly a perfect kill.
Part of that equation is also to the barrel twist; my experience with a high
twist rate barrel (1:7 and 1:9) and 62gr Barnes TSX bullets I have good
penetration and no internal ricochets.

While velocity, mass and twist all are part of terminal ballistics; bullet design
is likely a much bigger part of performance.
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Part of that equation is also to the barrel twist; my experience with a high
twist rate barrel (1:7 and 1:9) and 62gr Barnes TSX bullets I have good
penetration and no internal ricochets.
That's cool. It's little things that that I wouldn't know. I can't hunt with rifles in this stupid state. I just know what 5.56 can do to a human.
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