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Old 09-07-2013, 02:35 AM   #21
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What do you see as the shortfalls? I also found some Winchester Super-X in a 65 grain, cant find any Barnes stuff in stock.
One of the many good reasons to reload. You can always get the exact
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One of the many good reasons to reload. You can always get the exact
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Well, come tax return time that may be an option
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What do you see as the shortfalls? I also found some Winchester Super-X in a 65 grain, cant find any Barnes stuff in stock.
Most Remington ammo is weak in my opinion. You can do better than them, IMO.
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Well, come tax return time that may be an option
Lee makes good middle of the road equipment that is very well priced.

https://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-breechlock-challenger-kit-90030.html

That kit, a set of dies and a case length gauge and you can be reloading
with less than $150 in equipment. Learn and then upgrade as you need
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I have used the hpr 60 grn with great success on several hogs at 150 yrds from 100 -150lbs all dropped in their tracks with shots put into the area from high shoulder to the point of jaw line . you should have no problems with deer with any good 60-64 soft point bullet

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Just wanted to give an update, I settled on some Winchester Super-X 64gr Power-Point. I picked up a box and will head out Saturday to verify accuracy. Thanks for all the info guys, hopefully I will be posting a trophy pic in the next few weeks!

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I would advise against the 223 on deer, nearly every person I know who has used them has lost a deer as a result, I put too much time and effort into my hunt to skimp on a marginal rifle choice.
223s and all 22 centerfires suffer from horrible external ballistics and hence even in the hands of an expert should be limited to 150-200 yards max.
They are legal here but I own real hunting rifles and have no need for a marginal choice.

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I would advise against the 223 on deer, nearly every person I know who has used them has lost a deer as a result, I put too much time and effort into my hunt to skimp on a marginal rifle choice.
223s and all 22 centerfires suffer from horrible external ballistics and hence even in the hands of an expert should be limited to 150-200 yards max.
They are legal here but I own real hunting rifles and have no need for a marginal choice.
I agree wholeheartedly .223/5.56 was not designed as a deer round. But Ashton made it clear he did not want to go that direction in this thread. If the state says its legal then it's legal. I see guys with ARs all the time where I live during deer season. And handguns too.

I know the lethality of the round comes from bullet tumble (yaw) and fragmentation. Those characteristics, especially if you are using a M4 carbine, do not translate out past 125-150 yards, so I have been told. Hitting a paper target is one thing- penetrating a deer hide, quite another
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I agree wholeheartedly .223/5.56 was not designed as a deer round. But Ashton made it clear he did not want to go that direction in this thread. If the state says its legal then it's legal. I see guys with ARs all the time where I live during deer season. And handguns too.

I know the lethality of the round comes from bullet tumble (yaw) and fragmentation. Those characteristics, especially if you are using a M4 carbine, do not translate out past 125-150 yards, so I have been told. Hitting a paper target is one thing- penetrating a deer hide, quite another
Actually the yaw issue is for the FMJ rounds only .223 soft points and hollow points expand just like any other caliber, only problem is they are very inefficient at carrying energy downrange, so compared to say my 6.5x55 the 223 only starts off with half the energy and only carries it half as well. Compare them both with Partions for example and the Swede is still pushing over 1,100 ft/lbs out past 500 yards while the 223 is hardly worth a mention at that kind of range (274 ft/lbs) in this case the 223s effective range is slightly less then 200 yards if we hold to the 800 ft/lbs rule, using a short barreled AR would reduce that to closer to the 150yd mark.
But to look at it in another light 150 yard range is as good as a 30-30 if you never need any real range, and an AR is at leased as handy as a 336 so if you are dead set on hunting with a 223 just treat it like any other short range weapon and you should be fine.
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Patience, calm resolve, shot placement and knowing deer anatomy and caliber ballistics are more important than bullet weight. By shot placement, I mean your first shot, not your second, third or fourth!

I hope you practice 1st shot placement at varying ranges, using your chosen round until you are confident in your ability to make a one shot kill, the game deserves it.

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