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Old 09-05-2013, 03:08 PM   #11
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Don't even think about shooting a deer with a tiny .224" bullet. It's not only not legal in most places because it's cruel and the suffer and escape.

Not only that but those AR's are ugly and out of place for a sportsman.

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Regarding your thought! I know deer have been shot with the 223/5.56 and several do use the caliber. But in all, I completely agree with you. I would not at all think of deer hunting with the calber. Because having the upmost respect for wildlife and game I believe in quick humane kills. I know the argument always comes up "Well it is all correct shot placement!" Being a hunter I know that it is not always possible and then there can be shooter error when firing the round which can cause a bad hit and with inhumane results. I have been hunting for years and will admit I have made less than the shot I intended and had to deal with the thought of less than a good clean kill. Which is always very disturbing to me. And in reality, a lot of hunters will not wait for the optimum shot they will just shoot if they see the game. So you are correct the caliber is far from the best choice for deer and similar size game. The only thing I would say is if they use the 223/5.56 make sure of pinpoint shot placement. And if you find you can not make clean kills and are feeding the coyotes STOP and get a better caliber.

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Don't even think about shooting a deer with a tiny .224" bullet. It's not only not legal in most places because it's cruel and the suffer and escape.

Not only that but those AR's are ugly and out of place for a sportsman.
Heck I've seen a guy drop a doe on the run with a .22LR. It made it all of 20 yards after the shot before keeling over. He was older than dirt and that's just what he always used. He'd turn you across his knee if you told him it was too little gun for a deer. 556 is just fine with the right shot placement. In fact if/when .556 fragments it can be overkill on a deer and can ruin a good chunk of meat. .223 Barnes TSX works great too.
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Don't even think about shooting a deer with a tiny .224" bullet. It's not only not legal in most places because it's cruel and the suffer and escape.

Not only that but those AR's are ugly and out of place for a sportsman.
I appreciate your opinion, but as stated in my original post, I would really like to avoid going this direction in the conversation. My question was about bullet size, not ethics.

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Don't even think about shooting a deer with a tiny .224" bullet. It's not only not legal in most places because it's cruel and the suffer and escape.

Not only that but those AR's are ugly and out of place for a sportsman.
Pretty strong opinion against a popular caliber and rifle.
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Don't even think about shooting a deer with a tiny .224" bullet. It's not only not legal in most places because it's cruel and the suffer and escape.

Not only that but those AR's are ugly and out of place for a sportsman.
Really? I have not had to track any deer I have shot with my AR-15,
chambered in 5.56 NATO as they were with in 20 feet or less of where
I hit them, due to shot placement and bullet selection.

It would not be a recommendation I would make to a novice hunter
however, I would stop someone from using it if they are inclined to
and it is legal in the state they are hunting in.

A few years back a friend and I shot deer on the same day hunting, mine
with an AR in 5.56 and his with a .30-06 (BAR IIRC) mine fell where I shot
it and his ran off over a hill into the next valley; I hit mine through both
lungs and the heart. He hit the back of one lung, destroyed the other lung,
missed the heart and broke the far side front shoulder.
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BTW, I just purchased a Remington Model Seven in .223 Rem for my 11
year old to deer hunt with; one he can handle the gun and recoil well.
Also I do not reload anything between the .223 and the .308 Win/.30-06
cartridges, well caliber wise I do 7mm Rem Mag. but that is a bit big
for an 11 year old.

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My LGS has several boxes of Remmington Hypersonic in a 62 grain .223. Any one have any experience with these?

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It may just be me, but I find Remington ammo to be lacking.

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It may just be me, but I find Remington ammo to be lacking.

What do you see as the shortfalls? I also found some Winchester Super-X in a 65 grain, cant find any Barnes stuff in stock.
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