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Old 04-02-2013, 06:33 AM   #21
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I use a 91/30 7.62x54r and my old man either uses a 7mm rem mag or a 30-30. I know what your gonna say why in the hell does he use a 7mm mag? Well were we hunt varies in the woods next to the field the longest shot is out to 50-75 yards depending. But in the field the longest shot can be 200-300 yards. Plus he just likes the rifle I have no clue why.

But to get in on the vote I like the .270 it's a real nice little round, the 6.5x55 is also a good round and pretty nice shootin.

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If I give my honest opinion which would be a 243 or 25-06 a lot of people would disagree. Next I would choose the 270!
For some reason you keep thinking velosity, or in other words a speed demon w/ a light bullet is the way to go. What about the energy to actually break bone and go through? I'm not seeing the logic. You complain about noise after saying the .270 is loud, but you suggest 2 calibers that are not any less "loud". I've never had an issue when hunting even w/ a carbine.
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For some reason you keep thinking velosity, or in other words a speed demon w/ a light bullet is the way to go. What about the energy to actually break bone and go through? I'm not seeing the logic. You complain about noise after saying the .270 is loud, but you suggest 2 calibers that are not any less "loud". I've never had an issue when hunting even w/ a carbine.
Energy does not 'break bone and go through", momentum does. Energy is what causes bullet failure if you use a bullet which is not well constructed (not tough enough for the intended game animal and impact velocity).
There in lies the problem with the 'light bullet high velocity' theory when it comes to big game hunting. A bullet MUST retain enough of its weight to penetrate properly (momentum)!
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Energy does not 'break bone and go through", momentum does. Energy is what causes bullet failure if you use a bullet which is not well constructed (not tough enough for the intended game animal and impact velocity).
There in lies the problem with the 'light bullet high velocity' theory when it comes to big game hunting. A bullet MUST retain enough of its weight to penetrate properly (momentum)!
I should have gone furter. W/ mass weight comes energy retention and the ability too....
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For some reason you keep thinking velosity, or in other words a speed demon w/ a light bullet is the way to go. What about the energy to actually break bone and go through? I'm not seeing the logic. You complain about noise after saying the .270 is loud, but you suggest 2 calibers that are not any less "loud". I've never had an issue when hunting even w/ a carbine.
A 270 is a little louder than a 243. And if you were to shoot any animal in the neck(spine) or head then it's going down. Don't need a large caliber to do that. I'm not talkin about 600 yard shots here either. Up to 300-350
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A 270 is a little louder than a 243. And if you were to shoot any animal in the neck(spine) or head then it's going down. Don't need a large caliber to do that. I'm not talkin about 600 yard shots here either. Up to 300-350
I little advise. Check out a 6.5x55. Not the perfect round, but d@mb close. It has a thump as it leaves the muzzle. It is a 300 yard Elk cartridge and a great vermin round. It will bury the .243 is most cases. It is a 118 year old cartridge.
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I little advise. Check out a 6.5x55. Not the perfect round, but d@mb close. It has a thump as it leaves the muzzle. It is a 300 yard Elk cartridge and a great vermin round. It will bury the .243 is most cases. It is a 118 year old cartridge.
The swede?? I heard it has great BC and fairly quiet
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If you really don't like loud cartridges forget the high pitched crack of a 243 get a 6.5x55, it is the lowest noise cartridge north of a pistol cartridge carbine that can cleanly take all CXP2 class game at respectable range. Lower pressure driving heavy for caliber bullets at reasonable speed out of a relativity small bore is about the best thing going other then a silencer and sub sonic rounds, it is the only high powered rifle I own that does not ring my ears to shoot without plugs in. In terms of power/recoil it is about like a 30-30 with factory ammo only with vastly better external ballistics and twice the effective range, and despite what you would think ammo is not at all expensive either if you know where to look.
My full power handloads are another story though, I am running hot on the heels of a 264 Win Mag with hefty loads of RL22 in my modern action.
I don't want to highjack the thread, but....

Speaking of the 6.5 Swede, I was wondering if it is a bit too much gun for prairie dogs? I love the caliber, and I was thinking the 90 grain pill at 100-200 yd. range, but was worried about the lack of frangibility.
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does a pump shotgun (shooting 2/3 rifled slug) have more or less recoil than a 30-06
Depends on the grain size & powder load on both the slug & 30-06. For the most part they're very close as far as pounds per square inch, but the 06 is more of a fast burning, high velocity POP or SMACK to the shoulder where the slug is more of a slow burning quick PUSH.
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I use 300 win mag (hornady 180gr superformance sst) for hog & 30-30 (hornady 160gr ftx) for deer. But in at a max of 200 yards.

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