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Old 01-24-2010, 10:39 PM   #1
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First, I have NEVER hunted large game, let alone dangerous game. I have only hunted birds and varmints. I do not like wheel guns or lever actions. My brother in law and I have decided to start hunting larger game (pig and hopefully elk) and I've been asking questions here and there and researching on the web.

When I tell people I am going to hunt pigs with my 30-06 and my 45 as back up, I invariably get told...

1) "You better get something faster than a bolt action, otherwise that pig will run your ass over."
2) "Get an autoloader, because since you are new to hunting there is a good chance you will need to take multiple shots."
3) "Don't carry that 45 you'll only piss it off"
4) "Get a bigger upper for you AR and get a bigger backup"

Can you guys help me out here. I bought the 30-06 to hunt elk and deer with and truthfully I am worried about the speed of a second shot with a bolt action. I've been very seriously considering getting a 458 Socom upper, but is it really necessary?

What is fact and fiction with pigs?

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First, I have NEVER hunted large game, let alone dangerous game. I have only hunted birds and varmints. I do not like wheel guns or lever actions. My brother in law and I have decided to start hunting larger game (pig and hopefully elk) and I've been asking questions here and there and researching on the web.

When I tell people I am going to hunt pigs with my 30-06 and my 45 as back up, I invariably get told...

1) "You better get something faster than a bolt action, otherwise that pig will run your ass over."
2) "Get an autoloader, because since you are new to hunting there is a good chance you will need to take multiple shots."
3) "Don't carry that 45 you'll only piss it off"
4) "Get a bigger upper for you AR and get a bigger backup"

Can you guys help me out here. I bought the 30-06 to hunt elk and deer with and truthfully I am worried about the speed of a second shot with a bolt action. I've been very seriously considering getting a 458 Socom upper, but is it really necessary?

What is fact and fiction with pigs?
Not to dissuade you from that manly SOCOM but I want you to think about the legendary "Great White Hunter" stalking the NYATI (N-Ya-Te, means "Cape Buffalo"), Rhino, Big Cats or Bull Elephant.

Any of them use an auto loader? I'm not talking about the 10,000 # ft of energy required to drop any of those animals but the need for something faster than a bolt gun?

Your 30 06 will serve you well, and so will your 45 ACP as a back-up.
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The reason I asked was because I know there is a lot of hazing that goes on and along with hazing goes BS.

I do want to buy a 458 upper, but I know if I get into something like that, I need to get my brothers reloading press and learn how to reload.

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30-06 will plant a pig (or anything else in North America except large armored vehicles) if you put the bullet in the right place, and a second shot can be faster than you think, even from a bolt gun. And a .45 is better than many other guns. Pigs can be tough, and CAN do you serious harm. But do your part, rifle will do its part. For the .45, solids that function well in your pistol. You want penetration.

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I would not hesitate to carry my 30-06 bolt action to hunt hogs. That rifle will drop things much larger then hogs without a problem. The 45 will hold it's own with FMJs as C3 mentioned, you want penetration. If I could pick, I would take my 357 with soft points but the 45 will be fine.

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Your 30-06 would be just fine. So would the SOCOM. The most important thing with any game is shot placement.
A 460 Weatherby is useless if all you hit is trees

We aren't allowed to hunt in PA with semi-auto's
Here would be two non-semi alternatives for fast handling and deep penetration

My buds 45-70 guide gun and my Rem Mod 7600 "Amish Machine Gun" in 35 Whelen

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Pigs are not as tough as some make them out to be. The key is penetration and hitting vital areas. .30-06 is more than enough gun. Since pigs seem to like brush a good pair of Kevlar pants will help. They are hot, but better than getting chewed up. They also afford an extra level of protection from a rouge pig, although I've never seen one. You may find that most shots are 50..75 yards out unless you are in a tree stand. I normally don't carry a sidearm, just more weight if you are tracking and stalking them. I perfer a light weight rifle. I use a 6.5x55 bolt gun that weighs in at 6.2lb w/ the scope. My other walking gun is a BLR in .308, about 7lb w/ scope. For open sights a 9.3x57 bolt gun. None of these has the power of a .30-06, but again penetration and a quality bullet are more importent than bullet velocity and weight.

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Thanks for the replies. I thought I would be ok, but I didn't wanted to call BS and be wrong. I found a website last night called texasboars.com and read every article written by the founder of the site. I'm glad I talked to you guys and read his article's. If I would have gone hunting without the info I got, I would have probably gotten hurt.

I had no idea they laid in covered brushy dens and had poor eye sight. I would have been looking where they weren't going to be and letting my guard down where they most likely were going to be. Then if I would have been lucky enough to get a shot, I would have aimed for the area behind the shoulder, which now I know you either aim for the neck or the shoulder itself.

The guy on that site actually autopsies a boar to show you where to shoot and he preaches shot placement.

Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.

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Your 30-06 would be just fine. So would the SOCOM. The most important thing with any game is shot placement.
A 460 Weatherby is useless if all you hit is trees

We aren't allowed to hunt in PA with semi-auto's
Here would be two non-semi alternatives for fast handling and deep penetration

My buds 45-70 guide gun and my Rem Mod 7600 "Amish Machine Gun" in 35 Whelen

Don't knock that 7600, my father in law shot one of those for years in 30-06. It's a great gun and I like the detachable mag.
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The 30-06 with the right bullet/load will be more than plenty for any hog you'll encounter. I do recommend at least at least a .41 magnum if you're going to hunt with the handgun.

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