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Old 08-06-2014, 11:02 PM   #61
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I own a 30/06 BAR that I have never mounted a scope on it in close to 30 years. I took the BAR on a guided elk hunt in NV. The guide questioned my ability to hit an elk with open sights. He had a range set up on his property. He pointed out a target he wanted me to shoot. I grabbed the BAR out of the trunk and blistered the target from his yard, at least a 100 yards further than he intended for me to shoot. The guide didn't have anymore concerns about me being able to hit an elk. He did have concerns about pointing out a target before he actually wanted me to shoot it.

I killed a coyote at 560 yards with my 91/30. I know for a fact it was 560 yards, all I had to do was count the fence posts. I killed a fox at about 400 yards. I had to guess at the distance because the fox was in the middle of the field. Once you are used to using your front sight for a rangefinder calculating holdover is pretty easy.



If I am capable of long range shots with iron sights a lot of people are capable of long shots with iron sights. In most combat situations a scope is just something to break.

The reason hunting rifles and scopes worked so well in Vietnam is the vegetation. Often snipers would have to shoot through small holes in the vegetation. A stick about the size of your forefinger will send a bullet careening wildly. I use my 270 that has a scope to hunt areas with light brush. Pine saplings can look like a patch of tall grass at long distances. Snipers in Vietnam faced the same challenges.

Today's Simmons Masterpiece series scopes are far better than any scope you could buy in the 60's and 70's. I have a nice Burris scope I bought in the early 80's. The Burris scope is junk compared to the Simmons Masterpiece scope I have on my 22 mag.
I don't believe a word of this crap.
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Man, you guys are tough on John Deere.

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Man, you guys are tough on John Deere.
it is what it is McCool.
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I hear New Holland sales are up dramatically.

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257 Weatherby for anything....

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257 Weatherby for anything....
257 Weatherby is an excellent cartridge and i have owned one in the past. but not a cartridge i would suggest for someone unless they reload or have deep pockets to afford factory ammo. that was why i got rid of mine years ago, because at that time i didn't reload and over twenty years ago, Weatherby was the only source for ammo for their rifles and at over $40 for a box of twenty, it got mighty expensive to shoot that rifle for more than a few rounds at a time.

if a person reloads, the less common calibers can offer some gains over some cartridges. but as the OP doesn't, i would stick to suggesting the more readily common cartridges based on selection availability and cost of factory ammo.
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...I can afford it...factory match grade...BTW, it was Mr. Weatherby's favorite cartridge! I use a Model 70 with a Hart match grade barrel (26 inch) with a Boss ,and it cuts paper @ 200 yds....

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...I can afford it...factory match grade...BTW, it was Mr. Weatherby's favorite cartridge! I use a Model 70 with a Hart match grade barrel (26 inch) with a Boss ,and it cuts paper @ 200 yds....
i have a fondness for several of the Weatherby calibers. i shied away from them for many years because of the cost of the ammo. now that i reload, i would hesitate in owning them today.
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What has always surprised me, is a hunter will pay quality bucks for a rifle,and pay big money for a "hunt" or a hunting club membership,then cheat on the ammo...by that, I mean low quality ammo to site their rifle in...I have a friend that owns a 300 WEATHERBY,and we were at a deer camp with 500 + yds fields...he was shooting Hornady ammo at the camps range (300 yds)....never hit the target...I gave him some of my Weatherby ammo,and he started making paper...Weatherby Ammo(Norma) is as good as you can handload(Numbered sequence).....Expensive ?Yes! Hunting Camp was also expensive, $1500.00 for two day hunt...

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BS.

Factory ammo has to fit a variety of chamber dims. Handloading allows one to make ammo firearm specific.

Not saying Norma ammo isn't good, just saying it's factory ammo (and probably not ideal in relation to any one rifle's chamber dims).

Was his misses at 300 and then hits due to the ammo you gave him or did he just settle down and start shooting kinda like he's supposed to?

Did you go back and try the Hornady ammo?

Were the bullet weights comparable? Did he start with an oily bore? Was his scope known to be on before? (sometimes adjustments don't settle initially- plastic screwdriver tapping on the turrets can help with that between shots). Friction knob Leupolds notorious for that.

Did other shooters verify it to be an ammo problem?

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