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Old 05-31-2013, 08:49 PM   #61
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smart lady ( I guess, from your name). Plenty of things can be good, however, without bureacrasies recognizing the facts of the situation. :-)

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As indicated I am not hunting bear so the use of a slug is not ideal, and if you think you stop things only by hitting it in the brain or shutting down an organ than carry slugs...

...and aim as carefully as you ever have at a moving, closing, attacking brown bear as you always have.

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you won't stop a charge without either a brain hit, luck hit to the spine, or breaking a shoulder and buckshot won't do the latter, beyond about 10ft of range. little 100 lb deer often run a ways with a 12 ga slug thru their lungs, a few run with their hearts blown apart, too. See, the mammalian brain ALWAYS keeps 5 second's worth of oxygenated blood inside of the cranium. nothing you can do to the heart, lungs, liver, spleen or kidney can shut down the critter in less than 5 seconds, physically. Some, of course, will stop due to pain, but that's not the same thing as physical incapacitation.
Dude!, an adrenaline pumped bear does not feel pain!! I can however meet they energy they have coming forward w/ slightly less energy, but more then once in 50 yards. A humble 9.3x57 has 2260fpe at 50 yards w/ a 286gr slug. The SD is .482 w/ a partition, so it has excellect pentration. Odds of being charged by a bear are pretty slim though. Is there another subject you want to argue about?

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More than likely you would piss it off, and if it sees you are the one to have pissed it off, they WILL take out their anger on you.
The problem with the hard buckshot is they don't have enough mass to carry on into the vitals after they leave the barrel. They lose that energy faster than a slug does. (they don't play like regular '36 caliber' bullets, where the spin stabilizes them and continues on with that momentum. Plus they don't have the velocity of a high powered rifle.

Especially when we are talking bears in the fall time, when they are eating up everything to get that fat layer going. You might get lucky with a bear that just came out of its den from hibernation, but I would pay good money just to watch you try it on a mid summer or fall bear.

If buckshot was so good, then they would issue it to all park rangers instead of slugs. Slugs ya know can travel well past 100 yards and kill innocents down range.
Better teach the rangers to shoot!

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exactly 2 seconds, eh? when a bear hits 50 fps in about 2 leaps, that's about right, for a charge from 20 yds away, standing start so who says that the attack will be in daylight, or that you will see him that far away, or that he won't already be in full charge before you notice him?
Sounds like you're speaking hypothetically!

I'm quoting you the events as they happened to me on Oct 8, 1996 as per my trapping logbook. No embillishments. In those 2 sec or so I yelled at the charging bear while aiming, as I believed that this was just mistaken identity on the part of the bear. In 4 - 5 hundred bear encounters, it was me who always said that they're only bluffing. Log book says He dropped at 4 paces with a grazing head shot. Do I remember what I was thinking? Sure do... "wish I had my 44 Ruger."
No, I will not say what gun i was toting (wait for my book).
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so? one fluke incident does not a policy make for other such encounters? I (once) shot a quail out of air with a .22 handgun) I have not tried to hit birds in the air with a handgun more than 20 x. I've hit 5 others, with a .22 rifle, out of less than 100 tries. I just carefully picked near straight away shots on slow moving blackbirds and meadow larks. But I'm not like you. I would not claim that I could COUNT upon being able to hit ALL birds in the air, with a .22.

the bear's head is held at center of mass as he charges, so aiming for the brain could result in a stop by means of a body hit, as you DREAM is going to happen, by aiming at the chest. :-)

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How's this for bear defense?!?!

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That must be one of them there Kamchatka bears, which can be easily identifiable due to the AK-47 in hand.
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Indeed it is Anna. My first experience with them was in playing RISK on that godforsaken Penninsula...

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Risk, is that the game where one straps a pound of bacon to their back and runs through the salmon rivers over there in Kamchatka and Irkutsk?

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